What's the latest excuse...
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Simon said:
Are you crazy? Turkey equals SE Europe for a start, and is permanently doing iteself no favours!
Slovakia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Lithuania all pay less the 60p litre, as do a whole host of other middle and east Europeans
France and Germany pay less than 80p and why oh why do we still insist on charging more per litre for Diesel when everywhere on the continent (as part of Europes Diesel Drive) charges a lot less?
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Its a wonderful system the fuel tax.
The fundamental idea of it was to reduce car use and vehicle KMs in the UK and thus help to protect the environment as well as to have sufficent revenue to pump back into the road network, as has demonstrated with more success by other countries. This incorportates wider measures such as road tax, user charging etc.
Of course it is used to gain revenue £££. But the system is seriously flawed, the reason being that if people cut back mileage and the Vehicle Passenger KMs reduced then the government would loose out in revenue, not recouped through other externatlities such as reduced congestion, shorter journey times etc. This would then be loaded onto other forms of taxes like income tax.
Infact the reality is that Central Government's transport visions and white papers to improve sustainable travel and reduce environmental effects have been an utter pile of tosh. There is no real alternative to the car. What they are holding out for is clean congestion. Now undoubtedly without the push to reduce emissions under EU legislation vehicle pollution would be worse but there is no reason to reduce fuel tax.
In fact it would have a knock on effect with the economy if fuel tax was reduced at a significant level as the growth in the economy is intertwined with the cost of fuel which has relative effects on cost of travel for the workforce and cost of transporting goods.
Nothing wrong with high fuel charges, the problem is waiting for the alternatives like bus/LRT/HR to catch up.
The fundamental idea of it was to reduce car use and vehicle KMs in the UK and thus help to protect the environment as well as to have sufficent revenue to pump back into the road network, as has demonstrated with more success by other countries. This incorportates wider measures such as road tax, user charging etc.
Of course it is used to gain revenue £££. But the system is seriously flawed, the reason being that if people cut back mileage and the Vehicle Passenger KMs reduced then the government would loose out in revenue, not recouped through other externatlities such as reduced congestion, shorter journey times etc. This would then be loaded onto other forms of taxes like income tax.
Infact the reality is that Central Government's transport visions and white papers to improve sustainable travel and reduce environmental effects have been an utter pile of tosh. There is no real alternative to the car. What they are holding out for is clean congestion. Now undoubtedly without the push to reduce emissions under EU legislation vehicle pollution would be worse but there is no reason to reduce fuel tax.
In fact it would have a knock on effect with the economy if fuel tax was reduced at a significant level as the growth in the economy is intertwined with the cost of fuel which has relative effects on cost of travel for the workforce and cost of transporting goods.
Nothing wrong with high fuel charges, the problem is waiting for the alternatives like bus/LRT/HR to catch up.
Oracle said:
Turkey is Eastern Europe, why you arguing about it being SE Europe? Its still the East!
France, Germany and Belgium are all around £1 a litre for petrol, I was there a few weeks ago. Derv is a lot cheaper though.
Are you just making up these prices? Got any reliable source data for these prices
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http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/po...0682,1090_33076576&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL for all your EU statistics.
Simon said:
Turkey is Eastern Europe, why you arguing about it being SE Europe? Its still the East!
France, Germany and Belgium are all around £1 a litre for petrol, I was there a few weeks ago. Derv is a lot cheaper though.
Are you just making up these prices? Got any reliable source data for these prices
Its not as Eastern as I was suggesting!
here shows current European Prices for July,
You will note that firstly Turkey isnt even listed (i'd imagine because its not part of the EU), and that Latvia pays 60p / litre, Lithuania pays 66p, Slovakia pays 68p, Spain pays 69p and France pays 87p per litre all for unleaded. Stats from this month. Good old blighty still weighs in almost 7p more expensive than even France and these were calculated using a rather crude exchange rate of £1 = EUR 1.46
Actually I will admit that since easter Slovakia has gone up by a good 10-15p per litre!
Soldato
The Government must be loving it as they must be raising £££ in extra taxation,
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HEADRAT said:
Well break it down, the cost of say Unleaded Petrol in Latvia (I think the cheapest in Europe for July) is 60p per litre.
unleaded here is approx 94.9 (say 95p for the hell of it).
Thats 35p per litre that could effectively be going to the government in tax.
Filling up my car which would take 65 litres, thats £21.70 in tax that I'm giving to the government, a saving that I really could be doing with considering I fill up once a week is £260 per year (just for me remember), or the equivalent to two years Road Fund Licence for my car.
Interesting........................
Soldato
Remember though that fuel tax is a percentage not a fixed amount, so as fuel cost rise so does the fuel tax.
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teaboy5 said:
Yup. $2.99 a gallon out here where 15% of the petrol is diluted with ethanol grown right in our back yards.
Oh, and our gallon is only 3.785 litres, whereas the uk's gallon is 4.55 Litres.
So, $3 a gallon (2.99 and 9/10ths is as close to 3.00 as you can get!!
) works out to 79.2 cents per litre. And when you figure that I make $11.00 an hour, I don't count exchange rates. So I'm not that much further behind you in petrol cost. Especially when you figure in that out of an $895.07 gross paycheck the government and medical take out $335.34, I actually make a hell of a lot LESS than most of you. Even the part timers at Tesco's cash register.
So, in all reality I'm paying a MUCH higher percentage for my petrol per monetary unit earned per hour than most of you.
Soldato
Jez said:I assume thats bi-weekly mickey as thats only 81 hours work? Out of interest what do you do for $11p/h? Interesting to get an idea of pay rates over there
Actually it was 78.25 hours of regular pay at $11.33 hours and 0.5 hours of overtime!!
I work for Woodmaster manufacturing the stoves. I do wirefeed welding, insulating, siding, painting, inspection and certification, and forklift.
I'm the equivilant to a shop foreman or supervisor as I'm the one stuck training all the newbies and I'm the one everyone comes to when they've got a "problem stove" that's giving them fits.......
Soldato
Oracle said:Pfft!! Always got to go one better!!
Still 42p per litre!
Yeah, but I make £6.16 an hour and have 1/3 of it taken out for taxes and medical!!
Soldato
In all reality though, I've had two pay raises since then and am now making a whopping $12.91 an hour, so I'm actually up to £7.02 an hour..... 
Doesnt sound as though its THAT far off what we get here in general, as a reference i used to earn about £7 ($12) stacking the shelves at my local supermarket ($24 on sundays), probably far below what you are doing skill wise but outdoor jobs here never seem to be more than about £10ph or so normal rates.
Slightly higher but i have no sympathy after your house thread, round here you'd be looking at $1m+ for the property you have with planning for building
Slightly higher but i have no sympathy after your house thread, round here you'd be looking at $1m+ for the property you have with planning for building
Soldato
Heh, Jez I lucked out on my purchase of my house. It's not the norm, trust me!!
Speaking of work, I've got to get going and go sweat my nuts off making my bosses rich....
No, our shop does NOT have any climate control in it, in fact we have 5 gigantic garage doors wide open all the time...
95oF and high humidity and I'm playing with fiberglass insulation. YUCK!!
Speaking of work, I've got to get going and go sweat my nuts off making my bosses rich....
No, our shop does NOT have any climate control in it, in fact we have 5 gigantic garage doors wide open all the time...
95oF and high humidity and I'm playing with fiberglass insulation. YUCK!!