Whats the point of linux ?

I dont wish to cause a huge fight or get flamed, despite the title of this thread. I just wondered if anyone had gone from Vista or XP to linux and stayed there ? And if so, why ? In what way is it better ?

I've tried linux a few times and every time i install it i think "Hmm, this looks nice - now what ? None of my software works - i cant do anything other than browse the web/send emails and type documents".

I know it's rock solid as a server OS but what exactly is the point of it or benefit over something like vista for the average home user? And please dont say "because its free", i dont accept this as a decent argument. It's not like vista or XP are HUGELY expensive. I also dont accept stability as a decent argument. Maybe 10 years ago but not now. XP and Vista are extremely stable.

A part of me really WANTS to prefer linux over windows but like i said, every time i install it i just get this "now what" feeling

I see people making this kind of statement so frequently, and its utterly ridiculous.

'Now what'? You use the computer to do exactly what you would do under windows. No, not all the same apps will work, different ones will.
 
If you're particularly enamored with Xp's default fonts, why not set up your Linux installation to use them? Set it to use Arial, which is XP's default for most everything. I prefer OS X's font rendering so I tend to turn on all the sub pixel hinting and tell it that I want "best shapes".

Calibri > All.

XP is so 2002.
 
In my case, my current argument really is price. I've dabbled with Linux in various incarnations over the past 8 years or so, but never really used it as a desktop OS with any degree of success.

After finding out that my 4 year old iBook was next to useless without a £90 OS upgrade (no new software supported the versions of OSX I was using), I turned to Gentoo as a viable alternative for my browsing machine. Sadly, Linux for PPC isn't quite as mature as I would like (it is lacking, for example, a Flash player, but at least for the most part I can run the software that I want and need, without having to spend best part of a ton maintaining an all but redundant machine.

In fairness, the iBook is looking likely to be replaced very soon as the power cable is knackered, but I've such a good basis for a server platform, it'll live on in that capacity!
 
I see people making this kind of statement so frequently, and its utterly ridiculous.

'Now what'? You use the computer to do exactly what you would do under windows. No, not all the same apps will work, different ones will.

Indeed... The fun is in trying out the alternatives.
 
I dont wish to cause a huge fight or get flamed, despite the title of this thread. I just wondered if anyone had gone from Vista or XP to linux and stayed there ? And if so, why ? In what way is it better ?

I've tried linux a few times and every time i install it i think "Hmm, this looks nice - now what ? None of my software works - i cant do anything other than browse the web/send emails and type documents".

I know it's rock solid as a server OS but what exactly is the point of it or benefit over something like vista for the average home user? And please dont say "because its free", i dont accept this as a decent argument. It's not like vista or XP are HUGELY expensive. I also dont accept stability as a decent argument. Maybe 10 years ago but not now. XP and Vista are extremely stable.

A part of me really WANTS to prefer linux over windows but like i said, every time i install it i just get this "now what" feeling

I'd never switch wholly to linux, I use Vista on 2 machines and Fedora on my wifes and my laptop as all they're used for is surfing/collecting email.

While you can get countless alternatives for windows software, most of it just doesn't match up, I wouldn't trade Dreamweaver and Photoshop for Gimp and Kompozer for example.
 
Personally for the AVERAGE home user there probably isn't ANY benefit in Linux on the Desktop.

However I think asking people on an enthusiasts forum about averge home users is a bit pointless as the average home user will just go buy a Dell or whatever from PC World. By the time that start looking at building a PC they are now Enthusiasts not average users.

They want a machine that will work for them and that they know how to use, probably using the same software as they use at the office.

My uncle has SkyTV, Phone and Broadband Package with a PC World Laptop running Vista Home, Office Home Edition and Internet Explorer as his Web Browser because thats what he uses at work all day so he feels comfortable with using it. He doesn't even bother changing the ADSL Router as the one has works and it is fast enough. He doesn't download music or video, and everything just works for him. An AVERAGE user in every way.

Swapping to Linux he has to learn how to install the software, learn new ways of doing things, learn new applications. This is just extra work for using his computer and is a detriment to him not a benefit.
 
The main thing Linux is lacking is the massive install base. For the average user the point of Linux is that it will do everything most people do on a PC, but without the costs usually involved. That's no need for a fancy new PC to run it, nor any need to buy expensive apps to do any task (£50 or more for Windows itself being the tip of the iceberg). For the advanced user the point of Linux is freedom to play with it to your hearts content.

Hopefully the large influx of Linux users that are coming in through the Netbook market might encourage more people to join in the fun. For the moment though sadly I need to run Windows due to the mix of games and CAD packages that aren't written for Linux.
 
Your average home computer user doesn't use photoshop.. wsftp.. dreamweaver.. blah blah blah.

But they ARE seriously ****** off with .. Malware, Trojans, virii.. god know whatI

Tux suits em to a tee.
 
Your average home computer user doesn't use photoshop.. wsftp.. dreamweaver.. blah blah blah.

But they ARE seriously ****** off with .. Malware, Trojans, virii.. god know whatI

Tux suits em to a tee.

I've used windows for 10+ years and have never had a virus. I am however loving linix due to the fact that i am being forced to use it in a commercial sense. I.e., for HA systems.

I'm now planning on ditching XP for solaris as i think it's the best of the lot - although that another debate altogether :P
 
I've used windows for 10+ years and have never had a virus. I am however loving linix due to the fact that i am being forced to use it in a commercial sense. I.e., for HA systems.

I'm now planning on ditching XP for solaris as i think it's the best of the lot - although that another debate altogether :P

Yes but you are a power user though who probably takes precautions against such things (antivirus, firewalls, avoiding dodgy sites etc). The majority of windows users are incompetent and install all sorts of rubbish, hence why lots of viruses are so successful. For these users the better security model of linux would probably help them.
 
I have only started using Linux recently, and although I wouldn't personally dream of using it on my main machine, the laptops and servers I come into contact with get a Linux version and that's it. The reason? Linux does an amazing job, but I think unlike Windows it shines most when set a very specific task, which for me a server and in my case a laptop does and a desktop cannot (unless ofc the desktop is again for a very specific task). Contrary to belief, it is VERY easy to use, update and find software for and more importantly it runs well on machines of all specs. Most other reasons have been said already.

- Pea0n
 
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Yes but you are a power user though who probably takes precautions against such things (antivirus, firewalls, avoiding dodgy sites etc). The majority of windows users are incompetent and install all sorts of rubbish, hence why lots of viruses are so successful. For these users the better security model of linux would probably help them.

No i just use the best kind of security - common sense :p + router firewall etc. Never bothered with anti virus for the last 5 years.
 
No i just use the best kind of security - common sense :p + router firewall etc. Never bothered with anti virus for the last 5 years.

Sadly common sense isn't very common nowdays ;), especially when it comes to computers. The reality is people want to be able to freely go onto the net and use it without any security issues, regardless of whether they're on google or a dodgy porn site they got from an email. Clearly this is impossible but the best operating system to do this from is linux (and other unix OSs).
 
Because it's free.
Now I know the OP said that's not a valid reason, but in this case I refer to Free as in speech, not as in beer.

I like the openness, I like the configurability. It's a personal thing, I "get" it. 99% of what goes on under the bonnet is voodoo to me, the height of my programming in life was an abusive password protection routine in basic on an atari st, these days it's a matter of cut-paste-hack bash scripts.....because I'm SO lazy.
I have another point to make, but I shall digress on the subject of this scripting.
I can hear the shrieks of "hard!" and "pointless geekery", but some of my faves are just for laziness and larfs......eg.....

typing spit ejects the cd tray
swallow draws it in
lick draws it in and lists contents
and my fave one....
sayahh opens the drawer, waits 5 seconds for you to change disc then closes again.
This is just silly, and hardly hard......save a file in /usr/local/bin called sayahh, in it......
eject /dev/dvd &&
sleep 5 &&
eject -t /dev/dvd

(the &&'s just make SURE that one command is quite finished before running the next, as opposed to a single & with means.....go ahead with the next thing while this one gets on with it.....and no & at all, which means leave it up to the commands themselves)


Not rocket science is it?

To watch tv......
tellyon
to make sure it's in widescreen......
wtelly
to record it to a file with the current date and time (and anything you type after the command) as a filename.....

vcr


My other point is this.
I have two machines as you can see from my sig (I also have a linux/xp laptop which goes so long between xp boots that windows nearly has a nervous breakdown each time).
The incredibly expensive windows machine runs high end racing sims and a few FPS/strategy games. It also runs Cubase/Wavelab etc.

For all other purposes I use the gentoo machine (gentoo is a sod to install, well, it takes a long time, but the instructions and forums are great and you always win over any hiccups) Every conceivable home computer use other than (high end)games machine and digital audio workstation is handled beutifully...the machine is underclocked FAR below the quoted spec, no need for more, and since it's on 24/7 I want low power and silent).

I would just add that there are superb DAW apps for Linux, but that I've been using Cubase for 16+ years and Wavelab for 7 or so, so I could no more use Ardour or Rosegarden than I could Sonar or Logic.


With Linux my machine runs fast and efficiently and most importantly....PRECISELY how I like it in every detail. It takes a long time for me to whip a winstall into shape before I can use it without weeping, and even then it's a bit of a compromise (now that litestep is knackered).
Linux has better hardware support, and more standard attitudes to it.

I could go on all day but in short......I just like it, we "get on" me and the little flightless ******.
 
I enjoy using Linux as I find it a much better, safer, faster, cleaner operating system than windows. I'd love to be able to use solely Debian on all my systems, however there are, always have been, and always will be limitations to the linux OS compared to Microsoft's offerings. For one, Windows has a massive amount of money behind it, a massive amount of developers and a ridiculous amount of resources to work with. Of course most software will be made for windows, and hardware made to be compatible. It's always taken a long time for new hardware to get drivers written for linux, which is always a big problem if you want bleeding edge tech. Of course you can always write your own drivers, but failing coding knowledge, you're left in a bit of a pickle. But yes, it's a great operating system, fun to use, and very secure (in a malware/virus sense anyway). Sadly, I need to keep windows to one side for syncing my iPod, doing my video editing, and general shiny-ness. It could well be a long time before linux is the definite article, but it may happen one day. Until then, gotta keep using windows. Or buy a Mac

JK
 
I like it because it's free (:p) and for the majority of things you want to do there's free software readily available that'll do it. The only things you can't do as well as under Windows is play games, but it's getting there slowly.

No i just use the best kind of security - common sense :p + router firewall etc. Never bothered with anti virus for the last 5 years.

Then comes in the age old argument of if you aren't using anti-virus software how do you know you don't have a virus? :p
 
I enjoy using Linux as I find it a much better, safer, faster, cleaner operating system than windows.
Hi there,

Not seen you round these parts before, so welcome :)

I'd love to be able to use solely Debian on all my systems, however there are, always have been, and always will be limitations to the linux OS compared to Microsoft's offerings. For one, Windows has a massive amount of money behind it, a massive amount of developers and a ridiculous amount of resources to work with.
Heh, with all their resources - both in manpower and financial terms - you'd think MS would know everything there is to know in writing an operating system, yet I don't particularly rate XP or Vista as prime examples of an ideal OS :p:D:) Considering the number of man-hours that must have gone into designing, writing and testing their code, it's shocking that there are so many vulnerabilities announced for it each month.

I don't know how many employees are on the Microsoft payroll, an in particular work within the OS arena, but I'd guess there are just as many, if not more, that are prepared to volunteer their time, skills and experience to make Linux as good as it is. I guess there's some overlap, though, due to the number of distros available these days, whereas the MS code monkeys only have to essentially contend with one product.

I think this may be the reason why Ubuntu is proving so popular... Canonical provide the stability (in the organisational sense) that other distros have been lacking, and have brought a considerable amount of money to the table too. This results in the community expanding quickly... I'm always surprised at how few years Ubuntu has been around compared to some of the other distros. The growth of the community brings more developers to Ubuntu, which itself attracts more interest and that further attracts yet more users which attracts even more developers, and so the cycle continues.

Of course most software will be made for windows, and hardware made to be compatible. It's always taken a long time for new hardware to get drivers written for linux, which is always a big problem if you want bleeding edge tech.
Yeah, it's time we were all more vocal in demonstrating our anger at hardware vendors that aren't producing Linux drivers or at least making technical specifications available to the open source community to allow them to create their own. This isn't the fault of the Linux developers nor the community - it's purely the hardware manufacturers who are to blame for this, imo.

Of course you can always write your own drivers, but failing coding knowledge, you're left in a bit of a pickle. But yes, it's a great operating system, fun to use, and very secure (in a malware/virus sense anyway).
My coding skills are severely lacking in that department, but luckily there areplenty of coders out there who are prepared to rise to the challenge, so I've not had too many problems with hardware these days.

Sadly, I need to keep windows to one side for syncing my iPod, doing my video editing, and general shiny-ness. It could well be a long time before linux is the definite article, but it may happen one day. Until then, gotta keep using windows. Or buy a Mac

JK
Didn't know there were no iPod drivers for *nix... Isn't OSX based on a version of BSD? If so, are their OSX drivers open source? If so, I'd have thought someone would have ported it across to *nix by now.

Don't have to worry about this myself, as I use a Creative Zen instead of an iPod, and it works flawlessly with *buntu.

ps - not sure if this is the same for everyone, but your sig is a bit bigger than the limit in the FAQ (could be my PC in which case feel free to ignore me ;)). Here's how it looks on my screen...

bigsig.jpg


You might want to edit it. In the past I've seen the Mods edit other people's sigs that exceed the limit.
 
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Flexible: I have an easy time setting up systems for use as kiosks or other single-purpose machines. For instance, Mythbuntu gets me a working, fully configured media capture and playback system in about a half hour. I have a jukebox system in my house that I use to play music when I have houseguests.
Sorry to hijack, could you provide an idiots based guide to getting that up and running?
 
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