Whats the saving limit for people on benefits?

Sythe79 said:
The point is it's not 11k like dole money, that 11k has been costed and approved to cover the things he needs, if it wasn't direct payment he would just get the same exact services without a penny going into his bank in theory.

people talk about empathy but seem to have a very loose moral compasses, in the room next door to the one that approved his non-existent cinema trips there's a room denying DV survivors £500 for a bed and some sheets for their grotty bedsit because the hardship fund is empty till next year or cutting charities 5k funding to help feed the homeless.
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You are trying to put the blame on the disabled person whereas your anger for the lack of funding should be directed at people like Bezos and Musks of the world that have far too much money for their own good and the Sunaks who are just puppets.

I actually look at it another way as to be honest I never knew that disabled people like the original article got anywhere near the money like that so for me at least it is a positive that someone who is wheelchair bound with a debilitating illness can try to live some form of a normal life. It is better than reading articles about del boys ripping off councils for hundreds of millions and getting away with it.
 
adam cool dude said:
You are trying to put the blame on the disabled person whereas your anger for the lack of funding should be directed at people like Bezos and Musks of the world that have far too much money for their own good and the Sunaks who are just puppets.

I actually look at it another way as to be honest I never knew that disabled people like the original article got anywhere near the money like that so for me at least it is a positive that someone who is wheelchair bound with a debilitating illness can try to live some form of a normal life. It is better than reading articles about del boys ripping off councils for hundreds of millions and getting away with it.
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nope. I'm putting the blame of THIS case on THIS disabled person, not disabled people as a whole. or are you suggesting ALL disabled people are too simple to be dishonest ? While I'm sure some posters here would love to give the DV survivor for example a slap while explaining how 50k "really isn't a lot of money" and it's not a big deal every time someone take's money out of the pot they didn't need someone down the line misses out are you OK with that ?
 
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Sythe79 said:
nope. I'm putting the blame of THIS case on THIS disabled person, not disabled people as a whole. or are you suggesting ALL disabled people are too simple to be dishonest ? While I'm sure some posters here would love to give the DV survivor for example a slap while explaining how 50k "really isn't a lot of money" and it's not a big deal every time someone take's money out of the pot they didn't need someone down the line misses out are you OK with that ?
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The notion that others are missing out because of the money he needs to survive is just so short sighted.

His quality of life as a long term disabled person means he misses out on probably 99% of things others enjoy. Like taking a **** and wiping your own arse. Getting down the stairs unaided. Being able to make yourself a cup of tea.

He's missing out far more than most.
 
bloodiedathame said:
The notion that others are missing out because of the money he needs to survive is just so short sighted.

His quality of life as a long term disabled person means he misses out on probably 99% of things others enjoy. Like taking a **** and wiping your own arse. Getting down the stairs unaided. Being able to make yourself a cup of tea.

He's missing out far more than most.
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"By skipping cinema trips approved for his wellbeing by the council, Nathan Lee Davies saved up money from his round-the-clock care fund."

"Nathan had foregone approved social activities and saved £50,000,"

He was approved everything he wanted, what he wasn't approved is to create his own little private slush fund, YOUR notion that it was only what he needed to survive is mortally bankrupt, as is the selfish fantasy that it didn't affect anyone else.

Let's hope you don't really need something a little more basic but seen as "low priority", and find out all the money is gone.
 
Sythe79 said:
"By skipping cinema trips approved for his wellbeing by the council, Nathan Lee Davies saved up money from his round-the-clock care fund."

"Nathan had foregone approved social activities and saved £50,000,"

He was approved everything he wanted, what he wasn't approved is to create his own little private slush fund, YOUR notion that it was only what he needed to survive is mortally bankrupt, as is the selfish fantasy that it didn't affect anyone else.

Let's hope you don't really need something a little more basic but seen as "low priority", and find out all the money is gone.
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Why does it matter what his wellbeing money goes on? Cinema trip or holiday? Aren't they both wellbeing?

As for 'Approved social activities', what is this, Nazi Germany? That can **** right off.

I just don't think you've got an argument here at all. Or a heart. Have you put yourself in his position at all with your rationale? You'd genuinely be ok with what he has to put up with?
 
bloodiedathame said:
Why does it matter what his wellbeing money goes on? Cinema trip or holiday? Aren't they both wellbeing?

As for 'Approved social activities', what is this, Nazi Germany? That can **** right off.

I just don't think you've got an argument here at all. Or a heart. Have you put yourself in his position at all with your rationale? You'd genuinely be ok with what he has to put up with?
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Exactly I buy a new car one year and forgo a holiday or two to pay for it. He has been given that money for wellbeing and he has chosen to save it for something different. It is really a non issue to me.
 
bloodiedathame said:
Why does it matter what his wellbeing money goes on? Cinema trip or holiday? Aren't they both wellbeing?

As for 'Approved social activities', what is this, Nazi Germany? That can **** right off.

I just don't think you've got an argument here at all. Or a heart. Have you put yourself in his position at all with your rationale? You'd genuinely be ok with what he has to put up with?
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If I was in his position I'd like to think I wouldn't game the system, I'd like to think I'd realise the harm it does to the system as a whole
 
Sythe79 said:
If I was in his position I'd like to think I wouldn't game the system, I'd like to think I'd realise the harm it does to the system as a whole
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I'm not sure he's gaming the system.... The local authority have, you'd like to assume, done assessments and calculations as to what is required (funding wise) for this person and have authorised a certain amount of money. Some of this money is allocated for social style/wellbeing activities and he's using it for that.
 
Sythe79 said:
If I was in his position I'd like to think I wouldn't game the system, I'd like to think I'd realise the harm it does to the system as a whole
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But he’s not completely gaming the system. He’s just receiving the money that’s been approved. No matter what he does with it, it will still cost the council the same.

I get PIP for care costs incurred and help getting out and about. I’m cared for by family so have no care costs and I’m registered housebound so don’t need help getting out and about. I’m still entitled to that PIP though, even though it’s really disposable income. You can’t differentiate between claimants like that.

The poncing off the public is annoying me though. I can’t believe people fall for it and donate
 
Richie said:
I'm not sure he's gaming the system.... The local authority have, you'd like to assume, done assessments and calculations as to what is required (funding wise) for this person and have authorised a certain amount of money. Some of this money is allocated for social style/wellbeing activities and he's using it for that.
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No he is not using it for activities, that's the entire point.

He accumulated £50,000 which was meant to be spent on specified activities that the council agreed to pay for. He then didn't do those activities but kept the money. This is simply fraud.

The holiday was to be £3500 and the council is not against paying for his holiday or for care on this holiday.

So if we ignore 3500 of 50000 that's still £46,000 that the council was told was essential for his wellbeing and yet there it is being stockpiled unused.
 
Richie said:
I'm not sure he's gaming the system.... The local authority have, you'd like to assume, done assessments and calculations as to what is required (funding wise) for this person and have authorised a certain amount of money. Some of this money is allocated for social style/wellbeing activities and he's using it for that.
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Yes, they try to as best they can. Would you prefer they grill the applicant for hours, it's a trust exercise that the claimant is using the money for what they say they will? Direct payments aren't benefit money as such, it's a direct payment of cash instead of being provided the service directly.

Do you wait for a council PA to be available to take you to the cinema, or do they give you the money, and you find one yourself ? those are supposed to be the options, not pocket the cash instead.
 
Sythe79 said:
"By skipping cinema trips approved for his wellbeing by the council, Nathan Lee Davies saved up money from his round-the-clock care fund."

"Nathan had foregone approved social activities and saved £50,000,"

He was approved everything he wanted, what he wasn't approved is to create his own little private slush fund, YOUR notion that it was only what he needed to survive is mortally bankrupt, as is the selfish fantasy that it didn't affect anyone else.

Let's hope you don't really need something a little more basic but seen as "low priority", and find out all the money is gone.
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Damn I don’t think you have the mental capacity to honestly to talk about this in a meaningful way at this point.

I’m glad people like you and others in this thread are nowhere near decision makers in regards to disability support.
 
Allnamestaken said:
Damn I don’t think you have the mental capacity to honestly to talk about this in a meaningful way at this point.

I’m glad people like you and others in this thread are nowhere near decision makers in regards to disability support.
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Nice, no argument, attack the poster... but if we are going there I'm glad that not everyone has the same selfish attitude as you and the guy in the story otherwise the social Safety net would collapse even further than it already has and millions of honest people would suffer
 
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Allnamestaken said:
You would be too busy suffering every day, trying to manage your disability.

Your looking at this stuff from completely the wrong angle.
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Probably, I'd be too busy to feel the need to have 50k sitting in my bank doing nothing for years, money that could have been used for some good instead.
 
bloodiedathame said:
Why does it matter what his wellbeing money goes on? Cinema trip or holiday? Aren't they both wellbeing?

As for 'Approved social activities', what is this, Nazi Germany? That can **** right off.

I just don't think you've got an argument here at all. Or a heart. Have you put yourself in his position at all with your rationale? You'd genuinely be ok with what he has to put up with?
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Exactly I buy a new car one year and forgo a holiday or two to pay for it. He has been given that money for wellbeing and he has chosen to save it for something different. It is really a non issue to me.
 
Uther said:
In my experience people don't give a ****, or even a thought about the sick and disabled until it smacks them personally in the face.
Then they certainly care.
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Yeah, many just focus on the amount of money being given, which is why articles on the dailymail and stuff always make sure to include it in the headline to get people triggered right off the bat.
 
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