When are you going fully electric?

Tinders said:
In general EV's are your typical family chariot and as such are a little quicker than the equivalent ICE version in some cases. The tesla MY LR is a SUV and its less than 5secs for 0-60 time. The ID7 is the equivalent to a Passat and is 6.5sec 0-60, Passat TDI would be above 8 secs. Downside side is the top speed in some EV's, but thats probably only important to the same folk that need a range of 600 miles without stopping whilst towing a caravan, and need the car to sound like a V12.
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Ain’t no V12’s getting 600 miles. :D
Nothing sounds like a V12 either unless it’s a V12!
 
Nasher said:
It's the throttle response which surprises people, most of the EVs aren't that quick and are limited to only about 90mph with a million nannies.
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It might actual help the drips in ice cars when the lights turn green in that case.
Good knows how many times I've been sat behind someone at lights and they take ages to get moving when green.
It's like it's a surprise to them that the lights change colour.


Mind you it's the same at a checkout when the person starts hunting for their card, in their purse in their bag, when they realise they have to pay. :(
 
What a morning. Just about to collect the new mini and get a call that the old mini has been fixed. So picked up the new mini, brought it home. Picked up the old mini and sold it. All sorted after a busy few days.

Cheers for the EV info to all who helped.
 
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m4rmite said:
It might actual help the drips in ice cars when the lights turn green in that case.
Good knows how many times I've been sat behind someone at lights and they take ages to get moving when green.
It's like it's a surprise to them that the lights change colour.
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Even in an EV, they'd still need time to notice the lights had changed and to put their phone down.
 
Gibbo said:
This! Most EV’s are under 300HP and are not quick but they are nippy.

Top gear did a good article about the Tesla M3P and in real world without American cheating tactics of one foot roll outs it did an impressive 3.5s to 60mph and 9.5s to 100mph which is damn quick but it’s nothing particular fast or new my old 2014 Golf R with a remap was far quicker at 3.3s to 60 and 7.3s to 100mph was also more fun to drive which is saying something as a Golf R is not particular fun either.

Another comparison A110S clocked at 3.9s and 9.8s to 100 so similar ball park and a far more fun car been a true sports car weighing in at 1100kg.

Compared to a proper supercar they don’t come close unless you buy something like a P1000D, Electre, Plaid etc but don’t they kind of defeat the point of an EV which is cheaper to run though EV depreciation in past year has not helped with running cost of EVs.

I like EVs as city cars but don’t enjoy them as sports car or fun cars and I don’t find thrilling or quick, OK Tesla M3P 20-60mph impresses me but beyond 60 it felt slow and I often drive at high speeds and just love the fun of revving an engine out and changing gears even in a slow car like my old E30 which is damn slow but it’s so engaging but again I also love dinosaurs. I agree with you the brakes and suspension do not match the performance on a Tesla M3P!

It just made me laugh when a mate gave me his Tesla M3P and told me it was as quick as my 600 LT, I then took him out in my 600 LT he soon retracted that comment. :D

Even my R8 which is slower been a manual made him retract guess he realised an NA V8 with instant throttle response at any speed can feel far quicker than it is which for me makes it enjoyable as it feels ballistic without having to drive stupid fast the weakness of McLaren is you don’t want to lift and end up going stupid quick if not careful.

He has since sold his M3P and got a smaller slower EV and bought a new Caterham 420R and even built it himself and guess what he is so much happier the EV for the commute and a proper sports car that he can say he built himself and far quicker than his Tesla was on a b road, a dry one anyway.

All these cars have their place and we all like different things but I’ll keep filling with dinosaurs and making a racket, but I also won’t dismiss an EV as say a commuter and city car as now prices have crashed a used one can make a lot of sense. I’ve always done well on ICE cars either losing a little money or making a little. The 2-3 brand new ICE cars I purchased all made a profit at time to sell, not the norm at all but no complaints from me.

Just saying fast cars have always been around I guess the issue is enthusiast purchases fast cars typically but saying that you get plenty a none car enthusiast in a Porsche or Ferrari who just buy to say look at me. Though it’s fair to say EVs are putting nippy and fast cars in the hands of many who would normally not buy a fast car I guess and is maybe why some EVs are expensive to insure, but fast cars have always been around.
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So basically you’ve only driven a Tesla EV?
 
m4rmite said:
It might actual help the drips in ice cars when the lights turn green in that case.
Good knows how many times I've been sat behind someone at lights and they take ages to get moving when green.
It's like it's a surprise to them that the lights change colour.


Mind you it's the same at a checkout when the person starts hunting for their card, in their purse in their bag, when they realise they have to pay. :(
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My older dsg diesel with stop start was a slug from engine off to moving at lights. I had to blip the throttle so the stop start wouldn't kick in and leave the DSG in sport. Whereas it's instant with the the EV.
 
stop-start was the first thing I disabled in newer manual car,
the drips are drivers stopping at roundabouts, not anticipating & conserving momentum; albeit heavier car needs different entry speed&decision-point.


Simon said:
Top speed is motor rpm limits too. It’s not some ‘nanny’ limiter
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the modders/remappers haven't yet figured out the ev electronics just need to wait (until someone leaks encrption keys from mftr) you'll then be able to over-rev and damage motor/battery.
 
jpaul said:
stop-start was the first thing I disabled in newer manual car,
the drips are drivers stopping at roundabouts, not anticipating & conserving momentum; albeit heavier car needs different entry speed&decision-point.



the modders/remappers haven't yet figured out the ev electronics just need to wait (until someone leaks encrption keys from mftr) you'll then be able to over-rev and damage motor/battery.
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You won’t as the motor hit its burst speed and basically fall apart.

They have figured out anyway, even my honda can get a 40% current boost
 
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A car goes to 100mph in one gear and somehow runs out at 40mph. Odd

Nasher which EVs have you actually driven?
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
So basically you’ve only driven a Tesla EV?
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Purely EV I have driven:

Tesla Model 3 Performance
BMW I3
Jaguar I-Pace (car park)
Mini Cooper
Honda E Advanced
BYD Seal
Cupra Born

My favourite was slowest, the Honda mainly because it just seemed cool, probably worse EV out there as its range is pathetic. Most hot hatch like seemed the Cupra and Mini Cooper. I thihnk if I was after a hot hatch kind of car then an EV could make sense as similar, but I'd rather pay more for a GR Yaris, just drives so much better, but its more a AWD rally car rather than hot hatch and if you said Fiesta ST or say Alpine A290, then yes I'd go latter, assuming it drives good, will be test driving in new year fingers crossed. :)

If my interest was not two seater sports cars, classics and supercars and I was looking for a more A-B or family commuter then yes an EV would make sense but I'd never buy new as feel the depreciation would offset any savings against using dinosaurs.

Even if two seater sports cars come along they hold zero interest to me, they have no soul, no vibrations and sounds from engine, no RPM's and limiter to approach, no gears to change it is all just a bit boring, as for me faster has never really meant better, so much more to a fun car than just acceleration.

For me they are great as serving a purpose but they are not fun, my old slow E30 is more fun and pulls on the heart strings more.
If I buy an EV it would be a used one to avoid the huge depreciation they suffer, and then it would just be a small one to use as a work commuter or run around, carry 4 people etc, more a winter beater to keep the nice cars away from salty and icy roads. Sorry I just see them purely as a means of going A to B just like early motor cars were, so maybe the EV will have its day but nothing has me wanting to buy one with my own money.
 
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Not sure if this is an electric car question, or a general house and home one.

Would I be mental to not have a 22kw charger installed for future proofing, given I'm fortunate enough to have a 3 phase supply at my property?

There would be more work involved, and it wouldn't be as clean of an install due to location but it seems a worthwhile investment given the way cars are going.
 
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