When are you going fully electric?

I think people are over complicating what 2035 will look like under current proposals. They are using absolute fringe case charging issues. Or they think it will be “big bang”. It will still take 20 plus years (from now) before EVs and a Hybrid are a majority of registered cars. Used ICE and hybrids will still be an available for a long time after the ban.

As EVs become more common the infrastructure and legislation will be changed to keep up. It already happened in Norway over the past decade or so. Yet people did not suddenly wake up one morning in Norway and found BEVs were the slight majority. It took a long time and will still take years for that majority to be significant.

Moving towards an ICE sales reduction and a BEV centric infrastructure will happen gradually and indeed has been happening for years. If you are arguing over the last few percent of car owners who might have charging issues, then it’s quite frankly small enough not to be a major impact overall.

Quite literally the number of people who can’t get access to some form of cheap charger once or twice a week is going to be tiny.
 
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Simon said:
Just take the Goldilocks. Why people are obsessed in convincing others is beyond me.

Has a leprechaun ever found gold at end of rainbow and told everyone else.

There’s two view. Get everyone to do it then accept the benefits erode fast. Or keep it quiet and milk it for what it’s worth. But don’t get upset when it goes the other way
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You still haven't linked to where you claim I said people are stupid for not having an EV.
This is three times now - you just say "Sorry I got you mixed up with somebody else".
 
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Em3bbs said:
If he said he got it mixed up with somebody else, then how do you expect him to provide links. :cry::cry:
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That's all he needs to do, say sorry because there are no links.
From day one I have said it's a personal choice and I feel sorry for ICE owners who will eventually be forced up this route.
I have no idea why he came out with the comment he did.
 
Richie said:
The issue I see with this is making a 2 tier society of those that can afford BEV cars being authorised to park on their street and those that cannot afford a BEV having to park on other streets which then causes problems for people that live on those other streets being unable to park.

Sure, there are allocated BEV spaces in proper car parks but that's different than banning ICE cars from parking on a street they have a permit for simply because there are no non-BEV spaces left but plenty of BEV ones.
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The idea behind allocated spaces is that you have a space allocated to your property - it doesn’t matter if it is an EV or not. The space if yours to park what you want in. If you don’t need it, it can be allocated to another house until the point that you do (e.g. you always get first refusal).


Not sure I’d call it a 2 tier society. In reality, people with multiple cars are already parking them 3 streets away wherever they can find a space. The problem is too many cars not that those cars are EVs.

Even if the answer is public charging equipment which anyone can use on that particular street, those spaces are only going to be able to be used by people with an active charging session. The alternative is they have to charge in a public charger at the supermarket etc. which will always be very expensive compared to charging at home.

It’s inevitable that those without a driveway are going to get a worse deal compared to those that do - that’s already the case and has been since EVs were a thing.

When we moved house in 2019, I vetoed serval houses because I would see where this was going and houses with proper driveways are going to command even more of a premium compared to now.

Not only does the house we bought have 2 spaces, it is one of a handful that also has side by side parking and a double garage which is even better.
 
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The idea behind allocated spaces is that you have a space allocated to your property - it doesn’t matter if it is an EV or not. The space if yours to park what you want in. If you don’t need it, it can be allocated to another house until the point that you do (e.g. you always get first refusal).


Not sure I’d call it a 2 tier society. In reality, people with multiple cars are already parking them 3 streets away wherever they can find a space. The problem is too many cars not that those cars are EVs.
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Apologies, I read your post as a follow on from @OspreyO post and assumed you meant making dedicated EV only bays which have the charging points and not allowing ICE cars to use them. That would obviously make it a little unfair for people that cannot afford EVs in a parking permit/allocated parking zone.

If that was not what you meant, ignore me.
 
Richie said:
Apologies, I read your post as a follow on from @OspreyO post and assumed you meant making dedicated EV only bays which have the charging points and not allowing ICE cars to use them. That would obviously make it a little unfair for people that cannot afford EVs in a parking permit/allocated parking zone.

If that was not what you meant, ignore me.
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No, that would certainly make things tricky but it’s not dissimilar to putting public chargers on street (e.g. the existing lamp post chargers).
 
Journey said:
Doesn't really answer it though, as they'll never ban ICE that already exists so you could literally avoid using an electric powertrain until you either stop driving, or die.
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Exactly. The ridiculous notion that the push to EVs won’t work because a few % of people have fringe case issues around charging point access. It’s not about getting 100% conversion, it’s about reducing the impact of climate change. There will still be cases where ICE exists, but it’s still worth doing.

It’s like saying safety belts are pointless because they might chafe in a crash.
 
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