When are you going fully electric?

I was offering extra information not disagreeing with you in any way. I can see a valid argument for Phev over BEV when it comes to towing.

A thing to consider is some models are pared with a gutless engine and when the battery runs out, that can be really quite rubbish with a load on the back.

A diesel will return much better economy when towering but will be terrible around town by comparison.

There is going to be a compromise somewhere whichever way you look at it
 
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Horse box could be more tricky one in both PHEV and EV land due to towing capacities. EVs that can tow any meaningful weight tend to be both large and at the more expensive end.

My Model Y maxes out at about 140 miles with a standard caravan on the back. It should go a further with a horse box on the back as they are typically smaller and closer to a compact caravan which I’ve seen people get 160-170 out of the same car but the car can only tow 1600kg which isn’t a lot. But yeh I can see you don’t really want to be having to stop and rapid charge a car with a loaded horse box.

How much weight does she need to tow and how far?
Polestar 3 is 2200kg braked towing weight and 111kwh battery so might be a good towing option.. tow bars are manufacturer fitted option £1200 for a fully electric tow bar..
 
Horse box could be more tricky one in both PHEV and EV land due to towing capacities. EVs that can tow any meaningful weight tend to be both large and at the more expensive end.
Indeed...the one that looks the most impressive looks to be the BMW X5 plug-in, as it pairs a good towing capacity with a fairly decent electric only range, but they are expensive. She also is quite taken with having a nicer interior, but as I pointed out, she will trash it within about 30 seconds by filling it with hay bales or whatever.

My Model Y maxes out at about 140 miles with a standard caravan on the back. It should go a further with a horse box on the back as they are typically smaller and closer to a compact caravan which I’ve seen people get 160-170 out of the same car but the car can only tow 1600kg which isn’t a lot. But yeh I can see you don’t really want to be having to stop and rapid charge a car with a loaded horse box.

How much weight does she need to tow and how far?
I think current horse is about 600Kgs and the trailer maybe 900kgs. How far depends; she doesn't do it often at the moment as her current horse is pretty much retired. But she has another one who she might eventually want to take to shows and course events, etc. It may be that she never has to tow far enough for it to be an issue; so I'm just planning for the worst case to be honest.

A thing to consider is some models are pared with a gutless engine and when the battery runs out, that can be really quite rubbish with a load on the back.

A diesel will return much better economy when towering but will be terrible around town by comparison.

There is going to be a compromise somewhere whichever way you look at it

Yup. Currently we have a Kia Sorrento 2.2 diesel which has been fantastic, and I would honestly love to just move into the newer generation of that if they did a hybrid. But the PHEV of the latest gen only has a 1.6 litre petrol and a max towing capacity of 1500kgs. So it would mean another diesel if we go for the Kia.

The BMW would be better in that regard, but we would still have to accept that without battery assistance, economy becomes poor....but from what I've read it, overall, it wouldn't be much worse that what we get from the 2.2 diesel now.
 
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Polestar 3 is 2200kg braked towing weight and 111kwh battery so might be a good towing option.. tow bars are manufacturer fitted option £1200 for a fully electric tow bar..
It's a nice car and there are quite a few others which are similar, iX, Q6, Macan, EV9. The issue is that they all are expensive. Other than the iX, there isn't a used market for any of those vehicles yet because they are too new.

Down at more sensible but still expensive money, you tend to be stuck with 1600kg (Ionic 5, EV6, Model Y,) or less like the Polestar 2 and Ariya at 1500kg, ID4 and its derivatives are lower at 1200-1400kg, the Scenic is 1200kg.

I think the XC40/EX40 recharge can do 1800kg which is a potential sensible option, not quite a plush as the high end cars and has a bit more capacity then the cars above.
 
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Have to say if non hybrid diesel isn't causing you any problems, why not stick with it.

If you're spending money on horses and such, the motor tax isn't really much in the grand scheme of costs.
 
I honestly don't care if you agree or not, I have had an EV for nearly 5 years, and for me the total displeasure of having to put fuel was a thing of not so recent past, so it made me realise just how awful it is. It's a counter point to the clowns who complain about the inconvenience of charging an EV like it is the end of their life, when they likely waste more time combined putting fuel in a year.

We had our Ford B Max for 8 years and I never put petrol in it, my wife always did it.
I now park in my drive, the plug is at the most 4 foot from the car, plugged in within 5 seconds.
My wife also enjoys never going to a petrol station again where she only recently admitted she never felt safe.
 
Have to say if non hybrid diesel isn't causing you any problems, why not stick with it.

If you're spending money on horses and such, the motor tax isn't really much in the grand scheme of costs.
It's not so much a huge cost saving exercise; we have to accept that if we want to run a big car for towing, that it's inevitably going to be expensive. It's just that whilst the current car is fine, I feel it's a bit wasteful. It's great for towing and carting stuff around, but it spends most of it's time doing shorter trips, and not very efficiently. I sometimes drive it into town to grab shopping or whatever and find myself thinking how much nicer it would be (for me and everyone around me) to do it under electric power....quieter, cleaner, no worries about mechanical sympathy and engines not even getting warm, etc. And probably would be more cheaper on fuel (even though I realise that's not really an overall cost saving when you consider purchasing, deprecation, etc). But it's still nice - so in my mind, if when we come to change the car, we can get into a suitable PHEV, that would be the more elegant one-car solution.

If that's not possible, then we'll stick to diesel. But I'd quite like to get on board with EV if I can.
 
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How is the range rover electric going to perform, it's got to be the archetypal tool used by our overlords for that job, height of the vehicle should provide some aero advantage with a box in tow.

e: isn't a multi-speed gearbox going to be advsantageous too like electric hgv's to keep motor in sweet spot.
 
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It's not so much a huge cost saving exercise; we have to accept that if we want to run a big car for towing, that it's inevitably going to be expensive. It's just that whilst the current car is fine, I feel it's a bit wasteful. It's great for towing and carting stuff around, but it spends most of it's time doing shorter trips, and not very efficiently. I sometimes drive it into town to grab shopping or whatever and find myself thinking how much nicer it would be (for me and everyone around me) to do it under electric power....quieter, cleaner, no worries about mechanical sympathy and engines not even getting warm, etc. And probably would be more cheaper on fuel (even though I realise that's not really an overall cost saving when you consider purchasing, deprecation, etc). But it's still nice - so in my mind, if when we come to change the car, we can get into a suitable PHEV, that would be the more elegant one-car solution.

If that's not possible, then we'll stick to diesel. But I'd quite like to get on board with EV if I can.

I think the volatility in the market, and all the media FUD effects resale and depreciation to the point it negates a lot of the other advantages.

But to put it another way if you're happy to pay more to get those advantages, or buy used where there deprecation has done its worst then I think it can make it work.

But perhaps horse boxes is just a bit too far.
 
But she has another one who she might eventually want to take to shows and course events, etc. It may be that she never has to tow far enough for it to be an issue; so I'm just planning for the worst case to be honest.
Worth being aware that charging at public chargers when towing I think continues to be a right royal pain. I tow my race car around the country (trailer 300kgs, car is 600kgs) and none of the smaller tracks I go to have charging options so I'd be charging at public chargers. None that I have seen have enough space for a car + trailer (I've been keeping a look out particularly ), so you'd have to find a place to park the horsebox, unhitch, then go and charge. At many motorway services you can't get back to the chargers from the caravan parking bit as its one way only. Its the reason I'm sticking with an ICE for the moment as my tow car.
 
Some of the Ionity ones are good because you can pull up alongside them

Most other networks have the charger at one end of the bay, not so convenient if you are towing
 
Some of the Ionity ones are good because you can pull up alongside them

Most other networks have the charger at one end of the bay, not so convenient if you are towing

Something like this (Ireland)

Only issue its in the middle of nowhere, and not in the UK.

Another one in the UK

 
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Worth being aware that charging at public chargers when towing I think continues to be a right royal pain. I tow my race car around the country (trailer 300kgs, car is 600kgs) and none of the smaller tracks I go to have charging options so I'd be charging at public chargers. None that I have seen have enough space for a car + trailer (I've been keeping a look out particularly ), so you'd have to find a place to park the horsebox, unhitch, then go and charge. At many motorway services you can't get back to the chargers from the caravan parking bit as its one way only. Its the reason I'm sticking with an ICE for the moment as my tow car.
I usually just skip caravan parking and just park next to the chargers, assuming there is no height or width restrictions which there usually isn't because they need to let vans and other large vehicles in.
 
How is queuing handled at public chargers? Is it purely relying on courtesy of others to let the next person use the charger?

I can't help feeling that the more evs there are, the greater opportunities for idiots to scrap over charge points.
 
How is queuing handled at public chargers? Is it purely relying on courtesy of others to let the next person use the charger?

I can't help feeling that the more evs there are, the greater opportunities for idiots to scrap over charge points.
I am no expert despite having an EV for over 18 months having only charged publicly 4 or 5 times however at Cambridge service station when busy they have a person out there directing people to chargers however at Tesla chargers at trentham gardens it was pot luck jump in when you can and there was a certain amount of chuntering going on (because half the stalls (all the v4s) were not working despite being online on the app as well as 3 non TeslaEVs.taking up 6 V3 charging bays.

so pot luck I think

however the amount of time charging stations are overwhelmed is over egged by our anti EV media imo. not saying it never happens.,. just that with a bit of organisation and forward planning if you know it's gonna be a busy day it's rare to be an issue. I only got caught out because of a (rare) outage not picked up by Tesla app combined with cars taking up 2 bays charging .

hopefully as more people get EVs more charge points will offset it
 
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I am no expert despite having an EV for over 18 months having only charged publicly 4 or 5 times however at Cambridge service station when busy they have a person out there directing people to chargers however at Tesla chargers at trentham gardens it was pot luck jump in when you can and there was a certain amount of chuntering going on (because half the stalls (all the v4s) were not working despite being online on the app as well as 3 non TeslaEVs.taking up 6 V3 charging bays.

so pot luck I think

however the amount of time charging stations are overwhelmed is over egged by our anti EV media imo. not saying it never happens.,. just that with a bit of organisation and forward planning if you know it's gonna be a busy day it's rare to be an issue. I only got caught out because of a (rare) outage not picked up by Tesla app combined with cars taking up 2 bays charging .

hopefully as more people get EVs more charge points will offset it

Thanks for reply.

I receive an Ev this week that is primarily being charged from home but it's interesting understanding how things are in public charger areas.

I hope there is some kind of cutoff point on public chargers where it stops some old codger plugging in for hours chasing the last 20%. :)
 
It’s no different to queuing at the barbers or a bar. You take note of who is already waiting and slot in when the last person who was there before you takes their turn.

That said, I’ve only ever queued once and it was pretty painless given I was first and the queue formed behind me.
 
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