When are you going fully electric?

Give over, petrol will go up just as quick. So theorising with the big WhatIf. Big cap to close anyway and imagine having to pay the same for a car that's smoother, faster and doesn't need to go to a petrol station? Sign me up Darlin'.

Its about meeting Paris agreement for Carbon emission, never anything really other than that. a lot of cities see as a fair way to reduce urban pollution levels too.

Interesting view: A friend I play football with has one of the few Murai in the country as a pool car, has to go to Birmingham to fill it up for £60! Looks like the next big 'U-turn' is now, not where U think we might end turning to...

If you want to play smartiepants, please bring the smarties along first.
 
Give over, petrol will go up just as quick. So theorising with the big WhatIf. Big cap to close anyway and imagine having to pay the same for a car that's smoother, faster and doesn't need to go to a petrol station? Sign me up Darlin'.

Its about meeting Paris agreement for Carbon emission, never anything really other than that. a lot of cities see as a fair way to reduce urban pollution levels too.

Interesting view: A friend I play football with has one of the few Murai in the country as a pool car, has to go to Birmingham to fill it up for £60! Looks like the next big 'U-turn' is now, not where U think we might end turning to...

If you want to play smartiepants, please bring the smarties along first.
We're all theorising with the big WhatIf - it's a discussion :P

You're right, the gap is big and at some point it'll be "pay the same for a ca that's smoother" etc. But at the moment there's a premium that some people justify with cost savings. My point is that those cost savings can erode very fast and are largely our of your control if you can't always charge at home.

Either way, the future is electric, I think we all agree on that.
 
We're all theorising with the big WhatIf - it's a discussion :p

You're right, the gap is big and at some point it'll be "pay the same for a ca that's smoother" etc. But at the moment there's a premium that some people justify with cost savings. My point is that those cost savings can erode very fast and are largely our of your control if you can't always charge at home.

Either way, the future is electric, I think we all agree on that.

You jumped in before my reply to the Nashmeister of doom. :cry:
 
My point is that those cost savings can erode very fast and are largely our of your control if you can't always charge at home.

Let us all hope it doesn't become a battle for the haves and have nots of this world, we already suffer from enough of that without penalising those who might not be able to charge at home. It might be nice if you could trade electricity credits, so if you have a home with no off-road parking but have solar, then you could generate credits to the grid, that you could redeem at a charge point using your export tariff providers 'charge card' as an example. Obviously if you live in shared accommodation, high-rise flats then that doesn't help.

I'm more than happy to loan out my home charger at a cost basis (no profit) when it isn't being used, and it is currently listed on ZapHome but on free vend, there are loads of ways charging can be cheaper, you just have to hope that we are allowed the option to do just that in the future as adoption starts to peak.
 
The have's at the moment are the company car buyer/0bik -
I'd scanned the May parliamentary report , it hadn't mentioned them, but just questioned whether the diminishing subsidies were sufficient for the consumer to adopt them/ev's on an economic basis

Progress in addressing consumer barriers

7.We were interested in hearing the Departments view on what barriers needed to be overcome to achieve the targets for zero-emission cars. The Department for Transport told us it had undertaken a lot of research into this area, and the two most substantial factors had been price and range anxiety—the range cars can travel without recharging. Other barriers also exist, such as the appeal and acceptance of electric cars for consumers.11 The Department said it has used the Go Ultra Low publicity campaign to understand and assess what factors are influencing people’s choices towards ultra-low emission cars.12

8.The Department told us it has used the plug-in car grant, which reduces the purchase cost of qualifying new cars, to address the price barrier.13 The grant has been incrementally scaled back since 2018, and at the time of our evidence session contributed up to £3,000 off the purchase price of an eligible car worth under £50,000. One week after our session this was reduced, so it now contributes up to £2,500 towards eligible cars priced under £35,000.14 We put our concerns that the cost of ultra-low emission cars are still too high for many to the Department. The Department acknowledged that there is still a price difference between electric and petrol and diesel cars, but informed us that 13 electric vehicles now cost below £30,000 with a couple costing closer to £20,000. The Department argued that the price gap is closing “rapidly” and it is now starting to see critical mass which should enable costs to fall.15

9.Upfront costs are not the only element making electric cars costly.16 We were concerned about the cost of replacing batteries, especially for second-hand cars, and asked the Departments to explain how this is going to be managed. The largest part of the cost of an electric vehicle is the battery, but the Department for Transport believes that costs are falling as the technology develops and manufacturing scale increases. It believes that early concerns of battery degradation have not materialised. The Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy pointed out that the cost of running an electric car would be “significantly cheaper” than a petrol vehicle, with the Department for Transport estimating it costs, on average, around 1p per mile to run a zero-emission vehicle in comparison to 10p per mile for a petrol or diesel car.17

10.We asked what the Departments were planning to do about the higher cost of charging on the public network compared to home charging.18 A National Audit Office analysis of public data suggests that charging at home can cost between 59% and 78% less than charging on the public network.19 The Department for Transport told us it expects there to be more competition in the market and innovation which may benefit consumers in terms of the price paid for electricity. It also suggested that electric cars might, for example, act as energy stores when plugged in at home to feed back to the grid at peak time and recharge at times were there is lower demand and cost. It thinks rapid charging in public, however, will always be more expensive than charging overnight at home.20

11.The Department for Transport acknowledged range anxiety as a barrier to take-up and is providing investment for infrastructure, specifically focusing on public and rapid charging. However, it told us that because 99% of all journeys are under 100 miles, electric cars are suitable for many journeys. It accepted that there had been scepticism about the technology for a number of years, including around range, but cited improvements to charging times and suggested that charging on longer journeys will cease to be an issue.21 The government has announced £1.3 billion in the Spending Review to help improve the availability of chargers.22

12.There is regional variation in the uptake of ultra-low emission cars in the UK, for example high levels of take-up in southern England, and we have been concerned about whether some locations, including rural areas, are missing out on the transition.23 The Department for Transport told us it has not targeted specific locations, instead taking a location-neutral approach to investment, and early take-up has been greatest in places with a higher density of traffic, where there are more charge-points and also affluence. Whilst there have been some targeted investments, such as through pilot schemes in places like Bristol and Milton Keynes, the Department told us it wants to make interventions on a UK-wide basis.24 It acknowledged though the need to work with local authorities to understand obstacles in specific areas and provide support so they can provide charging infrastructure.25
 
Just bought a phev as our first stop towards electrification. Really bamboozled by all the charger types and olev/olez stuff though. It's a Kuga with 14.4 KW/h battery which we can charge through a 3 pin plug initially but will be wanting to get a proper charger for convenience of charging time.

Been looking at pod point for a 6kw/h charger but what's the benefit of tethered Vs none etc?

Any help and advice is appreciated before my mind goes to mush.
 
Just bought a phev as our first stop towards electrification.
Been looking at pod point for a 6kw/h charger but what's the benefit of tethered Vs none etc?
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Definitely get a tethered. A PHEV only makes sense if you charge it every time you're at home, because of it's short electric range. You need to go out, come home, charge, go out again later, come home, charge etc..

This is a right pain if you have to get the cable out each time. Much easier when the cable is there ready to go. It's the difference between 60 seconds and 3 seconds, but if you're doing it a couple of times per day you'll appreciate the convenience.

Pretty much all new EV's and PHEV's use a "Type 2" connector now so you'll be able to carry on using the same tehtered cable if you get a full EV in future.
 
Just bought a phev as our first stop towards electrification. Really bamboozled by all the charger types and olev/olez stuff though. It's a Kuga with 14.4 KW/h battery which we can charge through a 3 pin plug initially but will be wanting to get a proper charger for convenience of charging time.

Been looking at pod point for a 6kw/h charger but what's the benefit of tethered Vs none etc?

Any help and advice is appreciated before my mind goes to mush.

Tethered = comes with a table attached (buy this one)

Un-tethered = bring your own cable and put it away every time you use it (don't buy this one)

Tethered are more expensive but the main advantage is that you don't have to plug in and put away your cable every time you use it. You have to stow the cable on an untethered charger because the detachable cables can be easily unplugged and stolen when the charger isn't active (the cable locks to the car and charger when in use). You usually only have one which you'll want to keep with you to use public chargers when out and about. They are £200+ a pop so it makes little sense buying a second when you can just get a tethered charger for the same price. No doubt they'll be the new catalytic converter in a few years time when thieves work out they can easily nick them off unattended home chargers in about 30 seconds and re-sell them easily.

Chargers tend to be 7.4kw these days, there is no real point in installing anything less. All the regs and costs are pretty much the same.
 
Just bought a phev as our first stop towards electrification. Really bamboozled by all the charger types and olev/olez stuff though. It's a Kuga with 14.4 KW/h battery which we can charge through a 3 pin plug initially but will be wanting to get a proper charger for convenience of charging time.

Been looking at pod point for a 6kw/h charger but what's the benefit of tethered Vs none etc?

Any help and advice is appreciated before my mind goes to mush.

Tethered chargers have a cable hardwired into them. Untethered chargers just have a port for you to plug in to. The main benefit of tethered is that it saves you time plugging your own cable into it.

I always keep my type 2 cable in the boot well so doesnt really make much difference to me.

For charger types, there are 3 primary types:

Type 2 - Most common in my experience. Typically find them on trickle chargers at supermarkets etc. Most are untethered. Typically around 7kw.
CCS - Top part of the connection looks like type 2, with 2 additional ports on the bottom of it. Always tethered due to high loads, normally 50kw+.
CHAdeMO - Don't really have much experience with these as my car doesn't have one but it's a much bulkier connection. Only ever seen tethered ones and normally 50kw+. Funnily enough met someone with a CHAdeMO charger stuck in their new nissan at the weekend, wouldn't release for love nor money.
 
You say that, but there are lots of people out there justifying the cost of their EV (and its premium over ICE) on the basis of cost savings.

At the moment I'm using the cost savings to suppliment the higher cost of the car to make the overall cost about the same as an ICE. E.g. my [Model 3 + charging] is costing slightly less overall than my previous [320d + fuel + servicing]

As time passes the cost of buying/leasing an EV will drop and the cheap per mile cost will go up (probably with some form of per-mile road charging), so the real cost per month will probably remain fairly similar.
 
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Thanks for the info.

I'll have a look around based on what you have said.

The idea is that it'll use only electricity on the daily commute (18 mile round trip) and keep that topped up as much as possible so the ICE is just there for longer journeys.

Got to admit as much as I love my manual petrol car the kick from the electric motor is quite solid even in a larger car.
 
Thanks for the info.

I'll have a look around based on what you have said.

The idea is that it'll use only electricity on the daily commute (18 mile round trip) and keep that topped up as much as possible so the ICE is just there for longer journeys.

Got to admit as much as I love my manual petrol car the kick from the electric motor is quite solid even in a larger car.

I'm a huge ICE fan in performance cars but the power and torque response from electric motors is a different league. The way my model 3 launches itself with a bit of toe will never get boring.
 




https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-i4-challenges-tesla-model-3-367-mile-range

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Pretty compelling car there, probably up Fox’s street. Interesting to see how the row2 is with that extra floor depth for the batteries.

Loads of tech stuff on the press releases including the charging curve, (tails off quickly from the low SoC peak)
 
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Thats not badly prcied either. £53k for the "base" 335bhp version and only £64k for the bonkers M version.

With minimal company car tax, should sell well.

Might actually be tempted by the M50 on my next car change (wont need to tow by then)

Surprised the M50 isnt faster than it is with all that bhp and awd.
 
It’s about £5k over a Tesla with similar capabilities but will likely have a nicer interior.

With it being German you’d have to look at what’s actually included in that price, what’s optional and what ‘discount’ you can get from the dealer.
 
It’s about £5k over a Tesla with similar capabilities but will likely have a nicer interior.

With it being German you’d have to look at what’s actually included in that price, what’s optional and what ‘discount’ you can get from the dealer.

The base M sport "slower" car does look very, very well equipped with options as standard and not sure you will need to tick many boxes, if any, on the options list.

At first glance now I would certainly take one over the equivalent Tesla or polestar 2.
 
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