When are you going fully electric?

Yes Tesla are new to the game so they have a fresh business model I suppose.

One annoying thing that Hyundai have done with the Kona is introduce a battery coolant change which is quite pricey. The older models don't have it or they have a very big interval, the newer models it's done at 40k/4 years.

I don't know if there's actually any difference between the two systems.
 
lordrobs said:
Interesting to hear about the servicing (or lack of) on a Tesla. They really need to hurry up and make a decent range modest performance estate for not too much money so I can put one forward as a potential company car :p
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That's the other thing about Tesla - you know exactly what their roadmap is, and it ain't gonna be an estate. Since the yanks don't understand estates, and the world appears to have gone mad for SUVs, I think you're gonna be waiting for a loooong time!

Yet another +1 for Tesla here - my M3P has no service schedule, and the times I needed work done (condensation in tail-light and broken Granny charger), the Ranger came to my house. No dealers, no faff.
 
Obliter8 said:
the Ranger came to my house. No dealers, no faff.
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I do appreciate the mobile mechanic style repairs that they offer for simple things that are easily resolved. Having to take a car to a dealer, miles out of the way, to have something minor done is pretty big inconvenience, usually resulting you being with out a car for half a day or more. I'd imagine the people that are happy with the current model though, are the sort who complain about spending 40 mins charging on a long journey. :p
 
Tesla servicing was VERY expensive and whilst not having the capacity to keep up they have basically scrapped it and went to the notification model where the car tells you when it needs stuff doing. Just means the fixes services now seem very cheap/doesnt exist. Doesn't stop parts need changing as before, things like brakes are consumables anyway.
 
jpaul said:
definitely becoming more affordable
brittannia one on hotuk ... so about £90p/w including electricity, using his 5miles/Kwh - just add insurance&tyres
In office I'd be spending £50p/w petrol for daily 50mile round trip;
even cheaper for the smaller~40Kw batteried one.

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Still seems a lot to me. £12k to hire a Kona for 3 years, £4k per year.
I leased a Golf R in 2017 for about £7k for 2 years, £3.5k per year.

Can't imagine it depreciating at the same level if purchased new?
 
AndrewNR said:
Still seems a lot to me. £12k to hire a Kona for 3 years, £4k per year.
I leased a Golf R in 2017 for about £7k for 2 years, £3.5k per year.

Can't imagine it depreciating at the same level if purchased new?
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Lease deals like that just do not exist in 2021. To lease a new Golf R is considerably more expensive now.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Lease deals like that just do not exist in 2021. To lease a new Golf R is considerably more expensive now.
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I know, hence why I would imagine it's better to buy one and sell it after 3 years?
£335 p/month on a Kona seems crazy to me, although a quick check suggests even a standard 1.0 petrol is circa. £280 :eek: p/month. I guess at 10k per year you save £55 a month on fuel?
 
AndrewNR said:
I know, hence why I would imagine it's better to buy one and sell it after 3 years?
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I think it being the Premium model adds a few £k to the costs, so it might be a tight squeeze. You can get a 36 month lease (1+35) for ~£279 per month 8kmpa, but it isn't the premium version so about £10.1k for 3 years. I guess it depends on how much you could buy it for, and what happens over the next 3 years, BEV prices are slowly starting to drop so, who knows where you'll be in 3 years. Flip a coin?
 
Turns out there is a large quantity of lithium right under our noses under Cornwall which can be easily extracted in a carbon neutral way on a commercial bases.

Interesting video and well worth a watch.

 
Journey said:
I guess it depends on how much you could buy it for, and what happens over the next 3 years,
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the potential battery degradation is still a concern if you own it and resell - kona seems guaranteed at 70% over 8 years/125K

manufacturers might not want consumer to worry, but, I assume if you did a test drive at a dealer, you could compare %capacity drop over a fixed route, to distinguish 25%loss from 5% (kona apparently has a 3.1KWh buffer) -

or would consumers think 20% loss in a 300mile range is negiligble; worst case, a 64Kwh kona could have become a ~39Kwh one.

maybe 3rd party market (the AA?) will step in with an app/obd scanner to enable owners to certify their cars.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Turns out there is a large quantity of lithium right under our noses under Cornwall which can be easily extracted in a carbon neutral way on a commercial bases.

Interesting video and well worth a watch.

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Best not show this to the EV haters!

Amazing that it can be extracted Carbon free and potentially create a completely new area of employment for the area on top.
 
AndrewNR said:
Still seems a lot to me. £12k to hire a Kona for 3 years, £4k per year.
I leased a Golf R in 2017 for about £7k for 2 years, £3.5k per year.

Can't imagine it depreciating at the same level if purchased new?
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Golf Rs were priced stupidly cheap on lease initially and were the bargain of the century . You will find they are now £500 per month for 8,000 miles per year so almost double what you got yours for.

Plus almost all lease prices have risen by around £100 per month since January so you cant compare a quote now with one from 6 months ago
 
Greebo said:
Golf Rs were priced stupidly cheap on lease initially and were the bargain of the century . You will find they are now £500 per month for 8,000 miles per year so almost double what you got yours for.

Plus almost all lease prices have risen by around £100 per month since January so you cant compare a quote now with one from 6 months ago
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Also what would the costs be on fuel alone?

10k miles in a Golf R would be around £1500 surely?

10k on the Kona could be as low as £100 if on Octopus Energy.

£1400 per year saving or £3600 over 3 years.
 
Not sure that the idea of dealers charging silly money for servicing on EVs has much basis in reality at the moment. I've just had first service on the Corsa-e, and although I didnt pay for it (covered under my agreement), I asked and was told it would be 30 minutes labour (c.£50+VAT) if I were a retail customer. :)

It also had the software update recall, and the range showing has gone up from c.150 miles to c.200 miles. Off out on a longer trip today, so will see if it will actually do that. :)
 
In my head I'd completely written off the idea of an EV until 2034, expecting instead to buy 2 more ICE vehicles in 2024 and 2029. However, skimming through this thread has certainly given me a little head turn, and cars like the ID3 certainly look like we're reaching that turning point now. I do share the frustration with someone earlier in the thread though that no manufacturers seem to have any kind of estate in the pipeline. Estates are the ideal car IMO, and even in current ICE cars they're becoming rarer which means it's nigh on impossible to get a car to "perfect" spec.


Given I'm so green (ha!) to EVs, are there any good resources or YouTube channels etc that can bring me up to speed with everything? Things like how the cars provide heating and air conditioning, how much that affects range etc, even down to simple things like home charging points, even how much does it cost to "fill up" one of these cars?
 
squerble said:
In my head I'd completely written off the idea of an EV until 2034, expecting instead to buy 2 more ICE vehicles in 2024 and 2029. However, skimming through this thread has certainly given me a little head turn, and cars like the ID3 certainly look like we're reaching that turning point now. I do share the frustration with someone earlier in the thread though that no manufacturers seem to have any kind of estate in the pipeline. Estates are the ideal car IMO, and even in current ICE cars they're becoming rarer which means it's nigh on impossible to get a car to "perfect" spec.


Given I'm so green (ha!) to EVs, are there any good resources or YouTube channels etc that can bring me up to speed with everything? Things like how the cars provide heating and air conditioning, how much that affects range etc, even down to simple things like home charging points, even how much does it cost to "fill up" one of these cars?
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Electrifying.com

Some also like Fully Charged, but Robert isnt everyone's cup of tea.
 
The late brake show has a lot of EV content as does carwow.

RSEV has a lot of Tesla and more premium EV content.

Bjorn is a character but has also extensivly tested pretty much anything worth driving including 1000km tests and driving up to the attic circle (-25c!) and sleeping in the car. His based in Norway but the channel is in English.

In terms of heating/cooling, if the car has a heat pump the general rule is that it has a negligible impact.

The lower winter range comes from increased rolling resistance of wet roads and more crucially, cold batteries. Batteries are chemical energy and when you cool chemical reactions, they slow down and is why you get less out of them. The cars that have the best thermal management solutions (like a Tesla) and preconditioning systems tend to have the least impact of winter range, but it does still have an impact.
 
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