EV general discussion

The late brake show has a lot of EV content as does carwow.

RSEV has a lot of Tesla and more premium EV content.

Bjorn is a character but has also extensivly tested pretty much anything worth driving including 1000km tests and driving up to the attic circle (-25c!) and sleeping in the car. His based in Norway but the channel is in English.

In terms of heating/cooling, if the car has a heat pump the general rule is that it has a negligible impact.

The lower winter range comes from increased rolling resistance of wet roads and more crucially, cold batteries. Batteries are chemical energy and when you cool chemical reactions, they slow down and is why you get less out of them. The cars that have the best thermal management solutions (like a Tesla) and preconditioning systems tend to have the least impact of winter range, but it does still have an impact.
 
Joe T said:
Not sure that the idea of dealers charging silly money for servicing on EVs has much basis in reality at the moment.
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extended warranty costs (vs ICE) should be an indication of 2nd hand ownership cost, and whether bev's alternative systems have more liability -
hmm - so teslaS £3K for 4yr/50K ... don't know if that's a lot since never had one up till now , mache-e talking about up to 8year/100k but I don't see cost.
 
squerble said:
In my head I'd completely written off the idea of an EV until 2034, expecting instead to buy 2 more ICE vehicles in 2024 and 2029. However, skimming through this thread has certainly given me a little head turn, and cars like the ID3 certainly look like we're reaching that turning point now. I do share the frustration with someone earlier in the thread though that no manufacturers seem to have any kind of estate in the pipeline. Estates are the ideal car IMO, and even in current ICE cars they're becoming rarer which means it's nigh on impossible to get a car to "perfect" spec.


Given I'm so green (ha!) to EVs, are there any good resources or YouTube channels etc that can bring me up to speed with everything? Things like how the cars provide heating and air conditioning, how much that affects range etc, even down to simple things like home charging points, even how much does it cost to "fill up" one of these cars?
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I feel you and OP - I detest SUVs, their wastefulness and actual minor improvements in practicality, but SUVs are apparently 'what the market wants'. The MG is well regarded, if basic. It all depends what your priorities and budget are.#

Fully Charged is really good, and they have a whole series for people completely new to the market (Maddie Goes Electric IIRC). Best thing to do though? Get a test drive, preferably with someone who knows the car. Tesla do a hands-free one right now, and even if you don't want a Tesla, they do (in many ways) exemplify the form
 
( It's like the M140i shadow edition meme.)

I've not seen that you can get similarly good £4K year 10Kp/a deals (outside nhs etc) for the euriopean bevs - like corsa-e/peugot/id3
which I don't fully understand .. it's a Asia-pacific currency grab ? ... and .. a brexit bonus on the europeans ?
 
Our Kona lease we've just taken out is at around £3.5k a year, but there is fuel savings which offsets that quite a bit compared to the XC60 (T5) we have currently. Assuming we only charge at home, we should save a fair bit compared to petrol costs - but we'll have to see.
 
Does anyone have any comparison figures on insurance costs for owning an EV?

Would like to go EV, but no drive, no chargers on public road, and chances of having my cable nicked being high means I'm not likely to get one anytime soon without moving into a house with a drive.
 
Why do you want to know about insurance if your not really in a position to buy? I wouldn’t recommend buying one if you have nowhere to charge it at work or at home.

PS your cable is only going to be nicked if you leave it unlocked somewhere. Do you leave your car unlocked when you park it?
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Why do you want to know about insurance if your not really in a position to buy? I wouldn’t recommend buying one if you have nowhere to charge it at work or at home.

PS your cable is only going to be nicked if you leave it unlocked somewhere. Do you leave your car unlocked when you park it?
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Just a curiosity about insurance really.

Clearly would not buy an EV without being able to charge it :p

And no I don't leave my car unlocked, but would force not allow someone to remove the cable?
 
No, if the car is locked, the cable is locked to the car. If you force it out, it will break it or the car. If that’s the case, losing a £200 cable may be the least of your worries.

They also lock to the charge point too so they may have to break that too.

For the most part those cables are normally used for public slow chargers. Most people choose to have their home charger with a tethered cable fixed to the charger it’s self.

Insurance has so many variables, your probably better off looking at some industry publications than anecdotal evidence from users.
 
Obliter8 said:
That's the other thing about Tesla - you know exactly what their roadmap is, and it ain't gonna be an estate. Since the yanks don't understand estates, and the world appears to have gone mad for SUVs, I think you're gonna be waiting for a loooong time!
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Yeah, it is a pain. I wouldn't be against an SUV or even saloon/hatchback if I was going EV but there is a weird cultural thing that seems to be- salesman? drive what you like. support? you drive an estate... even though quite often my "kit" consists of a laptop and a small toolkit that fits in the cubby hole at the side of the boot :rolleyes:
 
lordrobs said:
Yeah, it is a pain. I wouldn't be against an SUV or even saloon/hatchback if I was going EV but there is a weird cultural thing that seems to be- salesman? drive what you like. support? you drive an estate... even though quite often my "kit" consists of a laptop and a small toolkit that fits in the cubby hole at the side of the boot :rolleyes:
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We just put Teslas and Merc BEVs in at work, and are reviewing with the engineers. The boot is very deep on a Model 3, just not tall, so it might very well suit a lot of them. I wonder if your lot would be willing to consider nuance?
 
Obliter8 said:
We just put Teslas and Merc BEVs in at work, and are reviewing with the engineers. The boot is very deep on a Model 3, just not tall, so it might very well suit a lot of them. I wonder if your lot would be willing to consider nuance?
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Possibly, It's something I'll raise when it comes to company car replacement time... if I'm still here then.

To be honest I don't think it is something they will accommodate on a number of levels. The company vehicles are owned outright and my Leon was bought for £15.6k as a pre-reg. They aren't ever going to see the cost difference back on their 7 ppm saving on fuel and I doubt there will be much incentive in terms of WDA by then either.

My biggest issue is unexpectedly having to bring back customers kit. Quite often I have to get units which are 900 x 170 x 600 mm in the back and the square load bay of even a small estate soaks up quite a few of those.
 
lordrobs said:
Possibly, It's something I'll raise when it comes to company car replacement time... if I'm still here then.

To be honest I don't think it is something they will accommodate on a number of levels. The company vehicles are owned outright and my Leon was bought for £15.6k as a pre-reg. They aren't ever going to see the cost difference back on their 7 ppm saving on fuel and I doubt there will be much incentive in terms of WDA by then either.

My biggest issue is unexpectedly having to bring back customers kit. Quite often I have to get units which are 900 x 170 x 600 mm in the back and the square load bay of even a small estate soaks up quite a few of those.
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The Class 1A National Insurance Contribution is the saving for the employer, and it's big. They also get some kind of tax write-off which would be relevant for them if they own the asset. The fuel saving is real, but depends on mile driven. Oh, and the lower/no servicing would help too. Actually, it may be far better for the employer if they own outright, rather than getting fleeced by the lease company!

But yeah - you need the right car for the job at the end of the day. MG 5 it is then!
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
No, if the car is locked, the cable is locked to the car. If you force it out, it will break it or the car. If that’s the case, losing a £200 cable may be the least of your worries.

They also lock to the charge point too so they may have to break that too.
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Had fun with one of these a few days ago, it was a charge your car point, i originally thought it was BP pulse point (which I later found out are the same company???) anyway the point was displaying tap fob to start, i didn't have a fob but had the app setup, anyway plugged in and started charging no problem, it was around the corner from my house (still waiting for home point to be installed) so walked home, came back a couple of hours later and had gone from 60 to 85% or so, clicked on end charging on app which it did, unplugged the car but for some reason it didn't unlock from charge point, great I had to go out but obviously didn't want to leave my cable connecte. Phoned the number on app (chargeyourcar) and got through to BP Pulse eventually she figured out where I was and said she would try and reboot the charging point but just before she did all of a sudden I heard a click and allowed be to unplug the cable, not sure i'll rush back to that one tbh. Used a free podpoint one today no issues at all (not sure that locked to charge point though?)

Still new but really liking the EQC :)
 
Bradmax57 said:
Had fun with one of these a few days ago, it was a charge your car point, i originally thought it was BP pulse point (which I later found out are the same company???) anyway the point was displaying tap fob to start, i didn't have a fob but had the app setup, anyway plugged in and started charging no problem, it was around the corner from my house (still waiting for home point to be installed) so walked home, came back a couple of hours later and had gone from 60 to 85% or so, clicked on end charging on app which it did, unplugged the car but for some reason it didn't unlock from charge point, great I had to go out but obviously didn't want to leave my cable connecte. Phoned the number on app (chargeyourcar) and got through to BP Pulse eventually she figured out where I was and said she would try and reboot the charging point but just before she did all of a sudden I heard a click and allowed be to unplug the cable, not sure i'll rush back to that one tbh. Used a free podpoint one today no issues at all (not sure that locked to charge point though?)

Still new but really liking the EQC :)
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BP used to call their EV stuff Chargemaster IIRC, now it's Pulse. I have had the same experience with their POS charger locking my cable in after charge finished. I avoid them just as much as I avoid Ecotricity :)
 
Obliter8 said:
BP used to call their EV stuff Chargemaster IIRC, now it's Pulse. I have had the same experience with their POS charger locking my cable in after charge finished. I avoid them just as much as I avoid Ecotricity :)
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BP works a LOT better with the RFID card. I use one 2-3 times a week and haven't had a single issue.
 
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