Soldato
Not any more. RWD starts at 47,530 and AWD now starts at 61,480
When are you going fully electric?
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Not any more. RWD starts at 47,530 and AWD now starts at 61,480
That's crazy money, i still think petrol plug hybrids will be the best option. EV will take another couple of years especially with the chip shortages.
I think the main issue is getting every household with the plug in charger and how would that work in flats? the other issue is grid capacity as most of our energy is sourced abroad which is why we pay higher prices for energy.
Diesels will eventually come obsolete in the next 5 years, i can't see petrol going anywhere.
I think the main issue is getting every household with the plug in charger and how would that work in flats? the other issue is grid capacity as most of our energy is sourced abroad which is why we pay higher prices for energy.
Diesels will eventually come obsolete in the next 5 years, i can't see petrol going anywhere.
Soldato
Yep, and what is worse that is the only Ford EV on offer, not exactly their bread and butter market place/price in the UK really. Looks like the UK will be devoid of Ford as a brand soon if it continues likes this.
Soldato
What, do you seriously think this is true? Unless you are talking gas imports.
For Gas imports yes, i think this is wake up call for the government to be innovative on energy. However there's just no way that our current grid can support every household having EV. My opinion at the moment it's a gimmick unless you fork out 50k for a car as most range is small or go hybrid which seems the more logical based on the fuel crisis.
lpg vehicle sales segment had just seen records set in france
they probably want to commit production supply to the usa to keep their name, and benefit from bidens homeland supplier benefit, has anyone imported their lightening truck though (at 5/7p overnight what is the mpg) longer term joining the vw chassis camp, for their focus replacement, I believe.
Caporegime
I’ve got a 2018 Passat GTE Advance. Anything you want to know?
Soldato
Does the chip shortage effect EVs more than hybrids? I would have thought hybrids would be more impacted. They effectively have 2 engines so will need 2 ECUs as well as other interfacing stuff between them. Won't they need all the same chips for management of the electric motor and charging that pure EVs need but also additional ICE management electronics too?
Given the chip shortage has mainly impacted ancillary components like infotainment and cameras, I’d say no.
The national grid say it’s fine and they can cope with hardly any new generation. The main reason is that there is oodles of additional capacity outside of the hours of 4 and 8pm, particularly overnight. They often have to turn wind farms off at night because they product too much electricity.
Agreed, I can see Ford pulling out of Europe altogether, with perhaps the exception of commercial vehicles.
They have been losing money hand over fist in Europe for years and loads of their models are in a huge decline.
Just look at the Fiesta, it’s gone from being the best selling car in the U.K. to not even being in the top 10 and the Corsa has taken its place at number 1. Their small cars will also be on the MEB platform going forward so every time they sell one, VW makes money. Judging by Fords financial performance, they won’t be or will make very little.
The national grid say it’s fine and they can cope with hardly any new generation. The main reason is that there is oodles of additional capacity outside of the hours of 4 and 8pm, particularly overnight. They often have to turn wind farms off at night because they product too much electricity.
Agreed, I can see Ford pulling out of Europe altogether, with perhaps the exception of commercial vehicles.
They have been losing money hand over fist in Europe for years and loads of their models are in a huge decline.
Just look at the Fiesta, it’s gone from being the best selling car in the U.K. to not even being in the top 10 and the Corsa has taken its place at number 1. Their small cars will also be on the MEB platform going forward so every time they sell one, VW makes money. Judging by Fords financial performance, they won’t be or will make very little.
What's reliability like any common faults i should look for?
Caporegime
It’s been faultless so far, we’ve had it for almost a year at this point.
Only real “common” problems are the DGS mechatronic, which in reality isn’t that common, and premature turbo failure, but again not that common. Some of the earlier cars suffered issues with the high-voltage battery but that was covered by a recall as far as I’m aware.
The only other thing is that a lot of the first and second generation granny chargers fail, but you’ll likely not find this out until too late, ours was dodgy (would work sometimes if you gave it a large whack with something heavy), but the dealer replaced it the next day.
Extended warranty is probably worthwhile given the complexity, but buying approved used is the only way I’d buy one, the two-year warranty that they come with is good peace of mind, and if adding the cost of the VW warranty to the cost of a non-approved used car, the prices ended up being very similar.
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Does the Passat not qualify for this?
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/owners-and-drivers/servicing/service-plans/all-in.html
Caporegime
Very good point, that wasn’t offered when we bought ours it was introduced just after.
My point still stands though, adding £800 on top of a non-franchised car makes it tantalisingly close to the price of an approved used that comes with two-years warranty and MOTs anyway. At least it did when we purchased, a car at Ford’s of Winsford was only around £1000 less than the car we ended up buying from Derby VW.
Soldato
It’s the mechatronics. I think it mostly effected the 17-18 model but don’t quote me on that. They’re decent cars but as a plug in I think they’re not worth it.
I tried and really liked the overall drive of the Golf GTE - however the boot is incredibly small and I was ultimately put off by the BIK coupled with having to charge it literally every day to make significant savings on my work journey.
As an approved used purchase I can see some appeal
As an approved used purchase I can see some appeal
Caporegime
Passat GTE Advance is a better all round package IMO, even with the hybrid system the boot is cavernous.
With the phev battery range updates/80km for european market/regulations, I think older 10/12KWhr ones will take a hit on market value , they will also be squeezed between ice and reducing price of bev's (as batteries cheapen) , with additional mechanical complexity for longer term ownership anyway
... so existing honda dtec negligible dpf problems, good mpg - sticktwist
Personally pre-covid was on a 60m daily round-trip, with a couple of urban miles, plus regular 120mile round-trips, so 22miles of electric autonomy phev may not be cost effective
... so existing honda dtec negligible dpf problems, good mpg - stick
Personally pre-covid was on a 60m daily round-trip, with a couple of urban miles, plus regular 120mile round-trips, so 22miles of electric autonomy phev may not be cost effective
Soldato
I don't understand the hardship of plugging it in every day. We do the same with our mobile phones.
In my specific case it's more that I could chose a car that I plug in every day for 8 hours, or chose something that I plug in once a week(ish) for 12 hours - if anything it's that I'd rather take the relative negative connotations of having no combustion engine than a car with a tiny ev only range.
Caporegime
8 hours? Even on 3-pin charging 0-100% charging of a Golf GTE takes ~4hours.
Also, just because you “could” drive a full BEV for a week or so without plugging it in doesn’t mean you should. I could easily do a week in the Model 3, but for battery longevity I’m better off charging it small amounts daily or at least every other day.