When are you going fully electric?

[Simon]

They don't really think about the sales process either.

For the model Y they made a load of people turn up to Southampton Docks to collect their cars fresh off the boat

Apparently that’s massively innovative though. I had to sit in my house and watch the man get it off a truck which was miles worse, damn those legacy automakers

 

[b0rn2sk8]

You seem to be good at twisting narrative to back suit your points.

Not really, I’m just looking at it from the customers perspective.

Lots of ‘enthusiasts’ spout the 800v like a badge of honour when in the real world it’s just not that simple.

From the customers perspective, all that matters is how quickly can I do this journey. I’ve been extremely consistent on that point.

The Kia/Hyundai charging system is good, very good in fact but it’s only part of the puzzle.

Obviously ride, styling, comfort and price are an also a factor. Where I’d agree is that the Model 3 and Y are too expensive, even in the current market.

 

[Journey]

Do you not think after 4 years Tesla can build a much better car/platform/chassis whatever you want to call it?

I think the problem is you are saying the platform and the platform chassis are the same thing when they are by definition not. Also yes, if Tesla does one thing it is admit that continuous improvement is paramount to success, vs the traditional 5-7 year+ platform updates. You just said that they were worse than a new non-dedicated platforms, but as you said there are some pro's and con's. Battery and motor technology, metallurgical improvements, and spending on R&D never stops with them, and they aren't supporting a fleet of ICE cars to get in the way. The question really is what will the actual new platform in 5-7 years be looking like from all the manufacturers.

 

[The Chemist]

Just placed an order for a Model Y LR. Looks like my petrol head needs will need to stay in Dubai from own on. Quick question - for those a mid terrace house with a drive way, how easy is it to install a home charger ? My consumer unit is about 3m from the front door under the stairs so I'm hoping its not a big install...

 

[Simon]

Budget £1000

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Just placed an order for a Model Y LR. Looks like my petrol head needs will need to stay in Dubai from own on. Quick question - for those a mid terrace house with a drive way, how easy is it to install a home charger ? My consumer unit is about 3m from the front door under the stairs so I'm hoping its not a big install...

Shouldn’t be an issue although you may have to have the cable running internally in trunking if you can’t hide it under the floor.

As Simon said, you’ll need to budget £1k, most chargers are £650+ fitting these days.

 

[The Chemist]

Bloody hell, and here's uncle Elon giving free super chargers in the UAE. Any installers to recommend in the London / North London/Essex area ?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Bloody hell, and here's uncle Elon giving free super chargers in the UAE. Any installers to recommend in the London / North London/Essex area ?

Ah London, expect more than £1k!

You have two choices to approach this. First you need to find a charger you want, there are loads on the market with a range of features. Once you know what you want:

buy it and get a sparky to fit it

or

approach the charger company and they will link you with an installer on their books.


There are a couple of websites that essentially do the same thing but ‘sell’ a range of charge points. By ‘sell’ what I mean is generate leads for installers on their books who will come and do the work

 

[Django x2]

Tesla is great for techies, or people who like to tinker (IT, updating firmwares, exploring new features, etc). But it simply comes down to the fact that it's a computer with wheels, whereas, as expected, most other manufacturers, especially the German brands, watched Tesla, saw their failings, improved them, and then made cars, with computers.

It's this that swung me away from a Tesla. I still want a car to drive like a car, not just be quick. And that leads me to a phrase a Tesla techie friend of mine uses. Tesla's are quick, but they aren't fast.

 

[mjt]

Tesla is great for techies, or people who like to tinker (IT, updating firmwares, exploring new features, etc). But it simply comes down to the fact that it's a computer with wheels, whereas, as expected, most other manufacturers, especially the German brands, watched Tesla, saw their failings, improved them, and then made cars, with computers.

It's this that swung me away from a Tesla. I still want a car to drive like a car, not just be quick. And that leads me to a phrase a Tesla techie friend of mine uses. Tesla's are quick, but they aren't fast.

Tesla really does nothing for me at all. Very happy with my i3, other than the pathetic range, but it is over 6 years old now and only the 60ah model.

I agree with what you're saying. The panel gaps alone put me off a Tesla ¬_¬

 

[ICDP]

Tesla build quality has improved to be fair, but still not anywhere near their asking prices. I just cannot get over the bland boring styling.

 

[FerretBoy]

Tesla build quality has improved to be fair, but still not anywhere near their asking prices. I just cannot get over the bland boring styling.

From hanging around the forums, it's still not as good as it should be in the US. Here though the Chinese cars are fine, so much better built than my German built golf R (cost more ofc).

 

[Spleen Sauce]

From hanging around the forums, it's still not as good as it should be in the US. Here though the Chinese cars are fine, so much better built than my German built golf R (cost more ofc).

Can’t be very consistent then, because mine was a 2021 Chinese built car and while there was no issue with panel gaps, the interior had all sorts of issues - creaking, rattling, rear seat belt socket missing, a pillar speakers distorting when the surround mode was fully enabled. Compared to the mk 7.5 Golf R I’ve picked up for cheap - which received absolutely zero love from the previous owner and was basically used as a mini van on a farm - has none of these issues. The interior is rock solid. And I know for a fact that the previous owner has never taken it for any remediation work, only servicing.

 

[FerretBoy]

Can’t be very consistent then, because mine was a 2021 Chinese built car and while there was no issue with panel gaps, the interior had all sorts of issues - creaking, rattling, rear seat belt socket missing, a pillar speakers distorting when the surround mode was fully enabled. Compared to the mk 7.5 Golf R I’ve picked up for cheap - which received absolutely zero love from the previous owner and was basically used as a mini van on a farm - has none of these issues. The interior is rock solid. And I know for a fact that the previous owner has never taken it for any remediation work, only servicing.

Interesting, I also had a 7.5 from new and it would rattle creak and vibrate (I tried disabling the soundatakor). Also the DynAudio had issues with certain frequencies.

Only issue with the model 3 is the passenger seatbelt catch rattles against the side of the chair. I assume due to my wife having the chair fairly far forward. It is a Q4 2021 car though.

 

[Spleen Sauce]

Interesting, I also had a 7.5 from new and it would rattle creak and vibrate (I tried disabling the soundatakor). Also the DynAudio had issues with certain frequencies.

Only issue with the model 3 is the passenger seatbelt catch rattles against the side of the chair. I assume due to my wife having the chair fairly far forward. It is a late 2021 though.

Mine has the Dynaudio - it's taken a fair bit of tweaking the EQ to get it to sound good but unless I really ramp up the volume to silly levels I get no vibration. That said, even with the surround set to 'auto' in the Tesla which lowers the volume of the A pillar speakers, the sound system in that was a lot better - albeit absolutely required because I couldn't deal with driving the car without any music on due to the rattles and creaks I had which Tesla couldn't fix in the 3 attempts it was in a service centre to sort. The rear bench would rattle from both sides, there was an occasion rattle in the headlining at the front, the passenger door would rattle occasionally, the passenger seatbelt would knock as you've mentioned (fixed that one mostly with some felt tape). Both seat belt height adjusters would rattle if the car had been sat in the sun and it was hot.

The Model 3 was a car I really wanted to love and just couldn't... so I ended up selling for more than I paid for it, sticking a big chunk of change into savings and picking up the Golf R for cheap, giving it some TLC, and using that as a daily for a few years.

 

[squerble]

Looks like Octopus have suspended GO/Go Faster etc for new customers and renewals for a short period.

Important: The government's Energy Price Guarantee discount does not apply to new fixed term tariffs agreed after October 1, both for new customers and existing customers renewing.

To date, all our smart tariffs have been fixed term products, so we are temporarily pausing registrations for Octopus Go, Go Faster, Go Green and Intelligent Octopus whilst we create new products which will work with the government schemes.

Accelerating the EV revolution, and using cheap green electrons when they're abundant, has always been incredibly important to Octopus, so we'll make this quick: we expect to be back up and running this week. If you're coming to the end of your tariff we'll be in touch then with more information and your options.

I'm guessing this means price rises - very annoying as I had to delay a smart meter install at the end of last month to next week. This means I'll likely now have missed out on those rates sad.

 

[Greebo]

Looks like Octopus have suspended GO/Go Faster etc for new customers and renewals for a short period.





I'm guessing this means price rises - very annoying as I had to delay a smart meter install at the end of last month to next week. This means I'll likely now have missed out on those rates sad.

Maybe not. The issue with tarriffs like Go is that the day rate is currently more than the UK capped rate but with the night rate the overall average rate is much less than the Govt cap so there is no reduction.

No idea what octopus may do to change this. Perhaps increase day rate and make night right even cheaper? Who knows

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

My rates for go/ go faster mean its above cap if you have flat energy usage.
Go is 34.69p and go faster 34.97p

However I think the key is that people signing up post 1st Oct cannot get the government scheme and they look like they are trying to work around that.
So in effect it probably prevents allowing people to switch.
Remember that whilst right now the go/go faster are but luck more than anything around the cap, if the price shot up then the 17p would come into force.

Bit of a mess really!

Probably means my switch to go faster cant happen, but that wont make much diff by the time I get the batteries (1 month and 4 days to go)
Might be a better scheme once they change anyway, as maybe they will bring in the solar generation / storage angle as well

 

[jpaul]

octopus don't know how much the electricity price might go up come winter time,
I don't know if current estimates are now worse than they were when ofgen oct cap was being discussed, with Ukraine latest/blackout suggestions
and, if the contract is not a full govt underwritten svr capped scheme, they don't want to be left holding the baby providing a fixed rate scheme where they have to pay the difference.

 

[mjt]

The (lack of) range in my 60Ah i3 is beginning to annoy me. Tempted to upgrade it for a 120Ah but prices are rather steep, and ones with full spec like mine are rather rare. I want Pro Nav, Harmon Kardon, adaptive cruise and a sunroof so I’ll probably be looking for a while yet.

Is there anything else worse considering? I guess the equivalent in the UK would be a budget of £25k max. I like the i3 because it’s small so easy to park in town, awesome turning circle and plenty fast enough.