EV general discussion

[Penfold101]

Dint really get the point you are trying to make. Do you mean drive at 50mph to get 40 mpg.

What’s wrong with getting 40mpg in a diesel ?

I mean you wouldn’t buy a V8 turbo diesel if you cared about economy. As he showed, you CAN get 50 mpg out of it but the driving style required is awful. 50mph, no heating, no breaks etc is not a fun way to do it. If you care about economy then just buy the 2.0 litre instead of the 4.0 and you’d get 50 mpg all day long whilst driving motorway speeds and using all the ancillaries.

I could probably go and google, but I’d imagine the car cost way more than a 4 cylinder version (don’t know if they made one for the A8). My old 2017 E class was a 2.0, and the 3.0 V6 cost 10 grand more which is just insane for 60 bhp and less economy…

My point was essentially you wouldn’t buy that car for the result he was trying to get - you buy a V8 for the power and torque, which is absolutely fine. It’s a fun experiment and makes entertaining TV but for real life it would an awful way to drive IMO.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Same as these efficiency tests on a whole host of EVs really, features far to high as a sole attribute of the EVs performance.

 

[Journey]

Well nearly 70k BEV's registered in March, and 33k PHEV's, that's a huge uptick YoY. Thought I'd seen loads of 25-plate EV's, seems Tesla was flat at 7k which is surprisngly high given the drama.

 

[Penfold101]

Same as these efficiency tests on a whole host of EVs really, features far to high as a sole attribute of the EVs performance.

I think because range is one of the major differences between ICE and EV, and a major sticking point for a lot of people, the efficiency is one of the big issues. When you’ve been used to doing 500-700 miles between 5 minute refuels for decades it can be a massive change to go to something that is closer to 200 with (currently) more limited and vastly more expensive public charging.

I’ve made it work for almost two years now, but it is a very different way of thinking to driving an ICE.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Well nearly 70k BEV's registered in March, and 33k PHEV's, that's a huge uptick YoY. Thought I'd seen loads of 25-plate EV's, seems Tesla was flat at 7k which is surprisngly high given the drama.

The drop in sales was largely down to them turning off Model Y production for a few weeks in all their factories. When that one car makes up something like 2/3 of your sales, it has quite an impact. The same thing happened last year when the Model 3 got turned off for a few weeks - its a real problem when you only really sell 2 cars.

I expect next month to be pretty strong as well with all the Y's they'll be churning out. It went straight back to number 1 in Norway. I'm not sure people really pay that much attention to the 'drama' and is probably something that will blow over is Musk (as he seems to have done more recently) winds his neck in. Him giving it the full Nazi was a couple months ago now, that is really old news in 2025, particularly with the daily Trump rollercoaster.

I've mentioned in this thread before I'll likely get something else next time round, that is not because of Musk. Polestar 4 is currently top of the list so clearly morals is not high on the agenda. That said, if they go back to pumping out Y's on a silly low monthly payment, as they did last year, it will be tempting and that is the crux of most peoples decision making process. Are you willing to pay a material amount more for say an ID.4 and for most people, the answer is no.

 

[m4rmite]

I think because range is one of the major differences between ICE and EV, and a major sticking point for a lot of people, the efficiency is one of the big issues. When you’ve been used to doing 500-700 miles between 5 minute refuels for decades it can be a massive change to go to something that is closer to 200 with (currently) more limited and vastly more expensive public charging.

I’ve made it work for almost two years now, but it is a very different way of thinking to driving an ICE.

Vastly more expensive?
Use tesla or ionity sub for cheaper than petrol ppm .
And your first 2-300 would be at home charger price.

 

[jpaul]

( still 2/3 of those March bevs into the bik market. )

A more enticing, fun? angle on ev performance, than efficiency - A290/1500kg on the nurburg, they sell like hot cakes in france

a different class of journalist, too.
e: 73kwh/100km
e2: english speaking driver

 

[OspreyO]

I think because range is one of the major differences between ICE and EV, and a major sticking point for a lot of people, the efficiency is one of the big issues. When you’ve been used to doing 500-700 miles between 5 minute refuels for decades it can be a massive change to go to something that is closer to 200 with (currently) more limited and vastly more expensive public charging.

I’ve made it work for almost two years now, but it is a very different way of thinking to driving an ICE.

I think if was doing 700 miles with a 5 min stop I'd be getting diesel. I've never had a car that could do that. My current ICE couldn't do it. But not everyone will take to an EV, but no ones forcing them.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I think if was doing 700 miles with a 5 min stop I'd be getting diesel. I've never had a car that could do that. My current ICE couldn't do it. But not everyone will take to an EV, but no ones forcing them.

I wouldn't be getting much further than 250 miles without a pee stop on a good day so its all academic really

 

[Tinders]

Right leaning media has convinced the masses that they need 5/6/700 mile range, and anything remotely green is woke leftist liberal clap trap. They needed a new topic since they spent 40 years manipulating people with anti EU rhetoric. Now its the green agenda and the boat people.

Ive clocked 14k miles in 6 months (its been an odd year with work ) and its been a breeze, ive had 2 charging issues in that time. If anything they charge too fast, both times this week ive ended up charging more than i needed because my pee or lunch stop was longer than the actual time i needed to charge.

 

[Diddums]

Well nearly 70k BEV's registered in March, and 33k PHEV's, that's a huge uptick YoY. Thought I'd seen loads of 25-plate EV's, seems Tesla was flat at 7k which is surprisngly high given the drama.

Just got back from driving to Holland yesterday, it struck me how many EVs there are. We seem to be lagging behind tbh.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Another advantage having an EV

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/satire/ev-thief-caught-red-handed-out-service-rapid-charger

 

[OspreyO]

Another advantage having an EV

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/satire/ev-thief-caught-red-handed-out-service-rapid-charger

They'll never be able to charge him though...

 

[m4rmite]

They'll never be able to charge him though...

Are you positive?

 

[lordrobs]

Work pay for any public charging if the journey is above 200 miles, i try to be fair with them and seek out cheaper charging where i can, which tends to mainly Tesla charging. Since they introduced the additional payment, the only people taking EV were low mileage people, take up since the change has been huge. After 2026 we wont be able to choose anything other than an EV.

Worst range ive had in winter is 220 miles. No regrets on the move so far.

That's a really good arrangement. No way our finance guy would go for that unfortunately.

Well... He might if he could come up with some way of calculating exactly how much company expensed charge was left at the end of the trip and bill you for it accordingly Bit of a culture shift after 10 years of never having any expenses questioned to the new guy plotting (a massive over simplification of) my work trips in Google maps then asking where an extra 40 miles came from on a 500+ mile trip!

Still remains something for HMRC to get an official handle on though IMO. It shouldn't really be on employers to prove that there was no benefit to the employer just because HMRC want to treat electricity in the same way they do petrol/diesel. Or, if they do want to do that then use averaged public charging costs, not average domestic.

 

[OspreyO]

UK public charging is very expensive. Kinda distorts everything.

 

[chanjy]

That's a really good arrangement. No way our finance guy would go for that unfortunately.

Well... He might if he could come up with some way of calculating exactly how much company expensed charge was left at the end of the trip and bill you for it accordingly Bit of a culture shift after 10 years of never having any expenses questioned to the new guy plotting (a massive over simplification of) my work trips in Google maps then asking where an extra 40 miles came from on a 500+ mile trip!

Still remains something for HMRC to get an official handle on though IMO. It shouldn't really be on employers to prove that there was no benefit to the employer just because HMRC want to treat electricity in the same way they do petrol/diesel. Or, if they do want to do that then use averaged public charging costs, not average domestic.

Your finance guy sounds like a nightmare lol

 

[SexyGreyFox]

UK public charging is very expensive. Kinda distorts everything.

It's shocking and I feel sorry for people who may be forced in the future to either have an EV or nothing at all.
Two of my mates would love an EV but they can't even park outside their own house, even if they could they wouldn't be able to run a cable to their cars so their only choice is a public charger which is more expensive than fossil fuel.
If I can charge at 7p/Kw those forced into an EV should be able to do it at a public charger.

 

[inflames]

It's shocking and I feel sorry for people who may be forced in the future to either have an EV or nothing at all.
Two of my mates would love an EV but they can't even park outside their own house, even if they could they wouldn't be able to run a cable to their cars so their only choice is a public charger which is more expensive than fossil fuel.
If I can charge at 7p/Kw those forced into an EV should be able to do it at a public charger.

I am in a similar position and would love a EV. Think I can make it work using public chargers, as I would be able to charge whilst I am at the golf course, I even checked the price of them last time weekend 0.32/ kWh seems reasonable.

 

[Journey]

It's shocking and I feel sorry for people who may be forced in the future to either have an EV or nothing at all.
Two of my mates would love an EV but they can't even park outside their own house, even if they could they wouldn't be able to run a cable to their cars so their only choice is a public charger which is more expensive than fossil fuel.
If I can charge at 7p/Kw those forced into an EV should be able to do it at a public charger.

This is why we share our charger on Co Charger, Zap Home etc. So other people, some of who live only a 2-3 minute walk away, can use our drive and charger if they want to.
I have one person who regularly uses the charger, maybe every 10 days on average, but I've got to know him that well I just approve his charge without booking and he PayPal's me a fiver as it seems to average out at the with some Intelligent Go slots on the mix.

Local parish council near where I live are discussing parking permits that are 'free' which give you the right to park outside your own property, if you have had their approved cable gutter installed. Permits would be for a single space only, and would be linked to the numbered space. Not sure how they will police it, but it's at least trying to get the ball rolling in the right direction.