When are you going fully electric?

[J1nxy]

Hopefully not a silly question but does the 7kW vs 11kW make a big difference. Starting to think I should have held out on buying the I Pace. It's September 2020 build but I think it's 7kW. It doesn't have Pivi Pro and don't think it has HUD (which was kind of my "want" list) I insisted on the performance seats and the one I bought was the only one in my budget

The only reason I looked for the 11kW was that it meant the car was an updated one, so came with Pivi Pro. Having had the previous system in my XF, which was pretty good to be fair, I wanted the updated one in the I-Pace and whilst it isn't as flashy as the IDrive System, particularly the new ID8 system, it does work very well, and wireless CarPlay and android auto are very good. The other thing it also meant is it had the updated 12v system which seems to be the cause of a lot of the issues on the earlier cars. The only issue I've had with mine was remembering on the first day I charged it that there was a button to release the cable...felt a bit daft when I remembered

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Ha, the charge release button has stickers around them now for that reason

 

[bigmike20vt]

oh no...... i had eyed up the perfect car but cant get to see it yet and no way the mrs will let me put a deposit on it sight unseen.

the garage just mailed me and said if i am serious phone now and sort out a visit as he has more than one other person interested in the specific car. i am not surprised... its a face lift model ipace HSE but its a late 2020 car, which puts it only a bit out of my budget - unlike other cars of that spec which are way out of it.

oh well if it goes i guess i will have to be patient. if there is one, there will be more. its even in my favourite colour and with a glass roof.

 

[J1nxy]

oh no...... i had eyed up the perfect car but cant get to see it yet and no way the mrs will let me put a deposit on it sight unseen.

the garage just mailed me and said if i am serious phone now and sort out a visit as he has more than one other person interested in the specific car. i am not surprised... its a face lift model ipace HSE but its a late 2020 car, which puts it only a bit out of my budget - unlike other cars of that spec which are way out of it.

oh well if it goes i guess i will have to be patient. if there is one, there will be more. its even in my favourite colour and with a glass roof.

Is it a Jag dealer? if so they do a refundable 99 deposit

 

[Nathan]

We have had a 2016 leaf for the last 3 years which we have used in and out of town, it’s been perfect to be honest. I have just ordered an ID4 which is in stock to replace the Leon. Going full EV. We can also upgrade the leaf with the money from the Leon to a 2020 model with better range. Should have 0 cost motoring through spring and summer with our solar we are in the process of having installed. Looking forward to it.

We enjoy the ease of EV ownership to be honest.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Is it a Jag dealer? if so they do a refundable 99 deposit

no. i just checked... they will refund a £500 deposit but only if on me inspecting the car i find an issue with it where the advert was missleading. its down to fate now, if its still available after looking at one sunday to make sure it works for us, i will stick a deposit down then... if not then i will wait. thanks for the suggestion however.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Do you know the reg?

 

[jpaul]

Indeed, would you put down a deposit w/o checking reg - annoyingly local garage now puts advertising plates on all cars, like many on AT, but,
that gives no option to casually look at any MOT record/spec, or, easily check warranty/insurance cost.

 

[chanjy]

If you submitted an online enquiry through Autotrader it used to email you the reg number haha

Haven’t done it for a while so not sure if it’s still a viable option

 

[chanjy]

oh no...... i had eyed up the perfect car but cant get to see it yet and no way the mrs will let me put a deposit on it sight unseen.

the garage just mailed me and said if i am serious phone now and sort out a visit as he has more than one other person interested in the specific car. i am not surprised... its a face lift model ipace HSE but its a late 2020 car, which puts it only a bit out of my budget - unlike other cars of that spec which are way out of it.

oh well if it goes i guess i will have to be patient. if there is one, there will be more. its even in my favourite colour and with a glass roof.

How much is it?

Looking online the ones from Jag dealers at around £39k are better bets than the cheaper cars which seem to be around £35k as you can get £3.8k deposit contribution (can pay off the finance straight away), free charger install and 2 years’ warranty and servicing. Plus with so many franchise dealers at that price point you could probably play them off against each other to get more of a discount too

edit: looks like the deal has gone down to £2000 contribution only!

 

[Chris1712]

How does the iPace hold up at that money? I thought they had pretty bad efficiency & charge speed which didn't actually get improved?

 

[Simon]

Why is charge speed and efficiency all people talk about with EVs? It’s still a car that drives miles better than most other EVs and happens to also be a 400hp performance car.

No one comments on the poor mpg or range of a high performance ice. They buy them for the driving dynamics, which in this case jaguar have nailed.

Charge speed isn’t an issue. People focus on peak numbers too much rather than area under the charge curve

 

[Minstadave]

Why is charge speed and efficiency all people talk about with EVs? It’s still a car that drives miles better than most other EVs and happens to also be a 400hp performance car.

No one comments on the poor mpg or range of a high performance ice. They buy them for the driving dynamics, which in this case jaguar have nailed.

Charge speed isn’t an issue. People focus on peak numbers too much rather than area under the charge curve

Charge speed is problematic on the iPace. It's too heavy to really be a weekend blast kind of car but is problematic as a GT car because charging is slow.

Agree peak numbers aren't the most important but area under the charge curve is poor for the iPace too.

 

[SDK^]

How does the iPace hold up at that money? I thought they had pretty bad efficiency & charge speed which didn't actually get improved?

Compared to a Tesla M3/Y it has poor efficiency, but you pay your money and take your choice.
The iPace is likely better built, has a better quality interior and won't have the issues which are impacting current Tesla's.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Charge speed is problematic on the iPace.

Agree peak numbers aren't the most important but area under the charge curve is poor for the iPace too.

This basically, it’s a perfectly valid criticism of what is otherwise a very good car. Likewise if you don’t use it often for longer trips as most people will not, it’s not an issue.

You can get away with being inefficient if you can recharge quickly, the obvious example of that is the old etron which you’d argue is a direct iPace competitor.

When you have both a huge battery because of that inefficiency and relatively slow charging, it’s a problem. Particularly on a car that costs as much as an iPace did.

I don’t know how it fairs now with the various updates and refreshes but it was certainly the case when it launched.

 

[sandys]

Why is charge speed and efficiency all people talk about with EVs? It’s still a car that drives miles better than most other EVs and happens to also be a 400hp performance car.

No one comments on the poor mpg or range of a high performance ice. They buy them for the driving dynamics, which in this case jaguar have nailed.

Charge speed isn’t an issue. People focus on peak numbers too much rather than area under the charge curve

Depends where you are driving to enjoy your cars abilities, once you've done a tank of fuel at a track day (never a full tank as I want the lightness/responsiveness ) you can fill and go again in 5 mins with ICE, as someone who is always topping up at a track day, a lunchtime fill is normal.

A 2.2 tonne SUV like the ipace has probably done its tyres by lunchtime though so you'd be going home anyway I suppose, which would go first tyres or battery what would be the trackday mpkw? 1-1.5 or better?

 

[Simon]

Depends where you are driving to enjoy your cars abilities, once you've done a tank of fuel at a track day (never a full tank as I want the lightness/responsiveness ) you can fill and go again in 5 mins with ICE, as someone who is always topping up at a track day, a lunchtime fill is normal.

A 2.2 tonne SUV like the ipace has probably done its tyres by lunchtime though so you'd be going home anyway I suppose, which would go first tyres or battery what would be the trackday mpkw? 1-1.5 or better?

Well an EV isn’t really a track car but thruxton was full of teslas last time I went and they all went off to charge at lunchtime. Let’s not create strawman arguments here

 

[Simon]

Charge speed is problematic on the iPace. It's too heavy to really be a weekend blast kind of car but is problematic as a GT car because charging is slow.

Agree peak numbers aren't the most important but area under the charge curve is poor for the iPace too.

It has a fully battery every time you get in it. And no EV is light enough to be a weekend blast type of car.


Anyway I have a model 3 LR for the weekend to see how they go. Quite liked the Kia EV6 GT line last weekend, a little numb but felt planted with nice rear bias. Still the Cupra felt good getting back into and they are similar size really. The Kia has decent fast charge but with 230-240m range I don’t really need it that often so more interested in how they are to drive. I’ve done prob 2000 miles in an ipace and it’s a step above any EV imo

Might try a VW buzz next weekend. See trying lots of cars gives you an objective view rather than purchase justification or comparing paper stats. And it’s nice to have an ice and Ev so you can stay impartial to world climate distractions

 

[dlockers]

Why is charge speed and efficiency all people talk about with EVs? It’s still a car that drives miles better than most other EVs and happens to also be a 400hp performance car.

No one comments on the poor mpg or range of a high performance ice. They buy them for the driving dynamics, which in this case jaguar have nailed.

Charge speed isn’t an issue. People focus on peak numbers too much rather than area under the charge curve

Well for me it is the single thing holding me back from a full time EV. I do 100 miles to site, sometimes stay over, do 20 miles a day then drive home 100 miles. There's no convenient way to fuel up.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

This basically, it’s a perfectly valid criticism of what is otherwise a very good car. Likewise if you don’t use it often for longer trips as most people will not, it’s not an issue.

You can get away with being inefficient if you can recharge quickly, the obvious example of that is the old etron which you’d argue is a direct iPace competitor.

When you have both a huge battery because of that inefficiency and relatively slow charging, it’s a problem. Particularly on a car that costs as much as an iPace did.

I don’t know how it fairs now with the various updates and refreshes but it was certainly the case when it launched.

It was THE car when it launched that’s the issue, the overtake needed a catch up that’s all. Which is what you see with Germans and the alternatives. Cell understanding and supply chain risk and warranty mitigation is far better understood.

Once thing is for sure, the battery degradation life will be best in class as it’s not being thrashed. UK temps tend to throttle the pleathera of “faster cars anyway” aswell only really a recent show of fast chargers. Most cars same 400V bottleneck for CCS anyway.