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EddScott said:
Does anyone have any real world experience with Jaguar I Pace?

Are they all similar specs?

I've seen two I quite like on Cazoo. Similar ages, one is 40K miles and all black with red leather seats (I really like this!) or grey with black interior, smaller wheels and 23K. The grey one is actually a bit cheaper.
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the wife and I are going to test drive one on Sunday. still not sure what we will do yet, replace our large car, or perhaps replace the local run about but either way if I have my way our next cars will be electric. (none of that "self charging" nonsense either )

my heart says HSE trim level....my head says SE is fine.
if I could find an SE well priced with a panoramic roof , I would be made up (bonus points if electric blue or red in colour with white leather interior..... so I am not too fussy ;)
 
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I was lucky when I got mine, Sytner had just bought a bunch of ex management cars so I had the pick of about 10 across the group, all MY21 11KW with the updated Pivi Pro system and all HSE. The price difference between the HSE and SE, when you factored in the deposit contribution was negligible and there were a lot of well spec'd cars all at the same price. My HSE has the Air Suspension, Performance Seats, Black Pack and Black wheels and being HSE has pretty much everything else as standard. One thing I'm very surprised about is the pano roof, its so well judged, most of the time I don't even remember its a big lump of glass, its dark enough to not cause any glare in the cabin at all and to keep the heat out, but adds a bit of light to the whole car.
 
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I was lucky when I got mine, Sytner had just bought a bunch of ex management cars so I had the pick of about 10 across the group, all MY21 11KW with the updated Pivi Pro system and all HSE. The price difference between the HSE and SE, when you factored in the deposit contribution was negligible and there were a lot of well spec'd cars all at the same price. My HSE has the Air Suspension, Performance Seats, Black Pack and Black wheels and being HSE has pretty much everything else as standard. One thing I'm very surprised about is the pano roof, its so well judged, most of the time I don't even remember its a big lump of glass, its dark enough to not cause any glare in the cabin at all and to keep the heat out, but adds a bit of light to the whole car.
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sounds like a cracking car!. We will be looking probably a lot cheaper than you. I dont really want to break 30k. that means if we buy this year i think getting a HSE is out of the question, and unless i get a cat S / N (not gonna happen on such a lot of cash) or a very high miler in more worn condition, i think the face lift is out as well... which is a shame.

not bothered about the 11kw charging but the onboard computer and infotainment system i have read is significantly improved in the refresh.
I could wait, but with the huge electricity price increases i think it may just be a buyers market now. when electricity inevitably comes down again its possible the current cheap prices could turn out to be an over correction in the market.
Also right now some of the "news"papers are also massively anti EV, also evidenced on forums such as this one, a lot still think EVs wont work and will be a failed experiment.

Sooner or later i think even the most stubborn or big oil company financed people will have to accept EVs are the future which may also stop prices dropping so much
 
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bigmike20vt said:
sounds like a cracking car!. We will be looking probably a lot cheaper than you. I dont really want to break 30k. that means if we buy this year i think getting a HSE is out of the question, and unless i get a cat S / N (not gonna happen on such a lot of cash) or a very high miler in more worn condition, i think the face lift is out as well... which is a shame.

not bothered about the 11kw charging but the onboard computer and infotainment system i have read is significantly improved in the refresh.
I could wait, but with the huge electricity price increases i think it may just be a buyers market now. when electricity inevitably comes down again its possible the current cheap prices could turn out to be an over correction in the market.
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We've had electric cars now for over 2 years, a Mokka-E and then a Mini Electric and now the I-Pace as well. The perception that electric cars are expensive to charge if you have the ability to charge at home is not necessarily correct, depending on your usage profile. The cost to charge away from home, which is a 4-5 times a year thing for us, is vastly offset by the overnight rate we've had with Octopus. Whilst clearly the day rate has increased a lot since 2021 the overnight rate hasn't increased by anything near as much and still makes the cost per mile very cheap. Take last night I put the car on charge with Intelligent Octopus, and its charged to 80% battery from <20% at 7.5p a KW. I did the same last weekend and that meant that through the week I've spent 52 x 0.075 = £3.90 to drive about 160 predominantly town based miles thats 2.5p a mile. The Mini is more efficient and now its warming up does 4-5 mile per KW so my wife's daily commute of about 35miles costs about 60p a day with her old petrol mini it'd have used more than that going to the bottom of the road ;)
 
bigmike20vt said:
sounds like a cracking car!. We will be looking probably a lot cheaper than you. I dont really want to break 30k. that means if we buy this year i think getting a HSE is out of the question, and unless i get a cat S / N (not gonna happen on such a lot of cash) or a very high miler in more worn condition, i think the face lift is out as well... which is a shame.

not bothered about the 11kw charging but the onboard computer and infotainment system i have read is significantly improved in the refresh.
I could wait, but with the huge electricity price increases i think it may just be a buyers market now. when electricity inevitably comes down again its possible the current cheap prices could turn out to be an over correction in the market.
Also right now some of the "news"papers are also massively anti EV, also evidenced on forums such as this one, a lot still think EVs wont work and will be a failed experiment.

Sooner or later i think even the most stubborn or big oil company financed people will have to accept EVs are the future which may also stop prices dropping so much
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I think you might be right about a market over adjustment, i was reading in some car trade website that was moaning on about how much of a hit all the dealers are taking and how much EV's have lost in value. And like you say so much anti EV propaganda out there, but like you i think once the electricity market settles down and more and more people accept that it's the future demand will catch up again.
 
Sold my Tesla Model 3 LR and replaced it with a Taycan 4S. The Tesla was a great practical car, but not really the type of car you would actively look forward to driving, or just go out at drive for the sake of it, or want to go out and polish every day. It ended up hardly being used because our Audi Q4 is more practical, especially with a dog. The 'tech' element in it is very overrated, it's just an awful touchscreen and some of the basic features you'd expect Tesla to have nailed like auto wipers, lights etc. are just awful. I'd say it is more 'tech for looks' rather than 'tech for use'. Pretty much like an iPhone :p . It's definitely not a bad every day car though - pretty much what I'd consider to be the modern day Ford Mondeo.

Absolutely loving the Porsche Taycan I replaced it with. It's just so nice to drive, so I actually want to go places for the sake of it at the weekend. It's also very practical for a family of 4 - but no muddy dog thanks! I go out and polish it while on work calls and at lunchtime.The tech is way more advanced than the Tesla, with amazing things like a dashboard, HUD, Android Auto etc. An actual rain sensor for the wipers and not a camera! Parking sensors!

Out of all the EVs I've owned over the last 4 years here is where I'd place them:

1. Porsche Taycan 4S
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2. BMW i3
3. Audi Q4 Etron
4. Tesla Model 3 LR
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1 million: Polestar 2 :mad:

The middle three are all fairly close, and maybe cars I'd choose again in the right circumstances. The Polestar was just a disaster, locking us out all the time, cramped, poor visibiity. Felt cheap.
 
the taycan is my "greenwashing" dream car (as opposted to my actual dream car a yellow Aventador)

it is interesting that the i3 is your 2nd favourite EV. we are currently in the market for a new car and it will be an EV..... we are torn.... either replacing our nissan QQ with an ipace (test driving one at weekend) and hoping the boot is big enough to not need a roof rack.... OR downsizing, replacing the nissan QQ with an i3, and buying a roof rack for our pug 308 and making that the long range holiday car....

(i am not allowed to sell the pug 308... the wife really does not like our QQ, but really likes the pug (I wont lie... the 2012 QQ whilst practical has an engine which sounds like it would be more at home in a tractor (a very low powered tractor)

i really want to go for a tesla model S..... that has more range than the ipace, more practicality, about the same price for a 4 year old car and a far better charging network...... however i just dont think i would enjoy driving it on some of the tight narrow roads in this country, as well as parking it.

I want to get a car at least 3 years old to get over that 1st 3 year depreciation hump... also as 3 years is the length of many leases, that is when the market can get a glut of cars hitting it, making it more of a buyers market......

IF we get the I3 it means we wait a few more yours and then we will have far more options available to us to get a larger car (EV6, Ionic5, model Y etc - as well as the face lifted 2021 jag being in our budget)
 
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EV6 and ioniq 5 boot are frankly really poor compared to the IPACE. The clever 400-800v inverter on the rear motor is really painful for boot space on the Hyundai E-GMP platform.
 
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EV6 and ioniq 5 boot are frankly really poor compared to the IPACE. The clever 400-800v inverter on the rear motor is really painful for boot space on the Hyundai E-GMP platform.
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that sucks (I have not seen inside either of them, just saw them from the outside and thought they looked pretty big.

I am worried i have oversold the capabilities of the ipace to the mrs. She is really worried about range, and i have promised her what ever we get as the "main" vehicle will be able to do 200 miles without charging even in winter (our house to my parents is 195 miles down the M6)

but looking into it, that is looking like it may not be the case.... its close........ but my wife wont even drive our current cars once the fuel light comes on (i tend to not worry until it gets into the teens of miles left ;) ) The ipace is a great looking car, better sized for our roads whilst still being practical. but the tesla model S wipes the floor with it for efficiency (range).

there is always the E-niro i guess... but the old shape is really ugly and the new one too expensive compared to the jag imo (and even then, ev database shows 200 miles winter highway is optimistic.)
 
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I wouldn’t take EV database ranges as gospel. Their winter ranges is based on a temperature of -10C, it represents the absolute worse case scenario that doesn’t bear out in reality. We just don’t see those temperatures here outside of a few absolute overnight lows a year.

For my car it says a low of 195 miles and a high of 225 on the motorway. In my experience both are under estimates for the actual U.K. climate.

Edit: I should add, if you obey the posted speed limits…
 
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I did 225 miles round trip to Bristol airport to drop my sister off and still had 25miles left. Was spring though. Just adjust speed with practice, the rest of the attributes completely negate any reason to go for an e-Niro. Proof is in the pudding so get those test drives done. MY21 will help though.
 
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Which table is that?

12v is the pain point and MY21 onwards completely changed that with the new electrical system and 1 12V battery.

We also had a DTC error where the park pawl wire harness rubbed and resulted in a huge “gearbox fail detected” please stop the car event. Yet to have any issues on 2 cars and 40k, the Webasto HV heater is a bit of a failure risk from the supplier and present on IONIQ 5 and Taycan cars.

Of course the attributes around quality, NVH, steering feel, ride, material selections etc was what I was referring too.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
that sucks (I have not seen inside either of them, just saw them from the outside and thought they looked pretty big.

I am worried i have oversold the capabilities of the ipace to the mrs. She is really worried about range, and i have promised her what ever we get as the "main" vehicle will be able to do 200 miles without charging even in winter (our house to my parents is 195 miles down the M6)

but looking into it, that is looking like it may not be the case.... its close........ but my wife wont even drive our current cars once the fuel light comes on (i tend to not worry until it gets into the teens of miles left ;) ) The ipace is a great looking car, better sized for our roads whilst still being practical. but the tesla model S wipes the floor with it for efficiency (range).

there is always the E-niro i guess... but the old shape is really ugly and the new one too expensive compared to the jag imo (and even then, ev database shows 200 miles winter highway is optimistic.)
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Tons of rapid chargers on the M6 so I wouldn't expect it should be an issue, 15 min pit stop half way through the trip (which might be the same as you do currently if you stop for a wee) and I imagine you'd make it with peace of mind as well
 
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bigmike20vt said:
am I right in saying if it has 11kw charging it is the updated version and if it isn't it is.the old model
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Yep up to that point 7kW AC. Jaguar on the door being a foil sticker in the black moulding rather than stick on badges (MY21) is another clue from the outside. MY22 onwards no Jaguar on the door.
 
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Hopefully not a silly question but does the 7kW vs 11kW make a big difference. Starting to think I should have held out on buying the I Pace. It's September 2020 build but I think it's 7kW. It doesn't have Pivi Pro and don't think it has HUD (which was kind of my "want" list) I insisted on the performance seats and the one I bought was the only one in my budget :D
 
11kw is for 3phase electrics...... most home charging it will fall back to 7kw anyway.... i guess some public chargers may benefit but for me , the 11kw feature i will use as a yard stick just to make sure if the car is the face lift or not (rather than late registered older model)

for me its moot..... other than a Cat S (gorgeous looking 2021 HSE model that it is, but i would not risk personally) it is simply not in my price range at moment.

either i need to wait a year or so or chance an older model
 
Kicking myself for forgetting to check it had HUD but I'm not particularly bunched about 7kW and as long as Android Auto plays well with the car then I'm good.

Tricky with Cat cars. My Evo was crashed in Japan - very light but would be classed as Cat in the UK. My Impreza has a clean record but when both cars were refurbished, the Evo was by far the least "used" of the two. The Impreza had bolt heads shaved to an angle from being so low - think it had been used in Gymkhana. :eek:
 
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EddScott said:
Hopefully not a silly question but does the 7kW vs 11kW make a big difference. Starting to think I should have held out on buying the I Pace. It's September 2020 build but I think it's 7kW. It doesn't have Pivi Pro and don't think it has HUD (which was kind of my "want" list) I insisted on the performance seats and the one I bought was the only one in my budget :D
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No, none real world, i only benefited really in a Leisure park in Edinburgh where i could charge up overnight much faster before moving to the hotel. Its just a clear way to tell if you have Pivo Pro rather than Touch Pro and its night and day difference - MY21 comes with 360 surround too which is awesome.
 
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