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Science says yes.
When are you going fully electric?
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yes but whether it makes a practical difference I don't know. the majority of people will charge at home / work most of the time anyway... not everyone of course .... but let's say I wanted to go from Manchester to Cornwall and you have a 230 mile usable range.....
it's only (at a guess 350 miles so if you leave with a full charge (done via AC slow charging ) you would only need 1 fast charge..... then you would look for a destination charge once you arrive. I dunno about you guys but now I have an EV I will actively choose destinations now which offer some form of destination charging either by proper charge point or allowing a granny charge.
if you are regularly going 500miles+ in a day then admittedly things get more awkward but how many people does that affect (even then you have your warranty -usually 8year 100,000 miles.
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How many car chargers at "actual" destinations are super/fast though? I wasted a journey driving to a Tesco to get an "emergency" top-up and it was a granny charger effectively.
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You check before. Venice car park had 16 x 22kW. It was ace for a day trip. Can’t thing what Tesco has 3 pins now podpoint have their installs.
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There's a lot more rapids coming to destinations. A lot of EV charging investment opportunities I see are rapid and ultra-rapid in supermarkets, shopping centres, coffee shops, garden centres, restaurant chains...
I'm not at that age yet.
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I’d worried if you had to plan a trip to Tesco to be fair.
I would like an EV but can't afford one, but other than that the implementation of it is so complicated that it will take probably the next 10 yrs to get to the point of use that we need today. Why are there manufacturers plugs instead of one standard plug that should negotiate charge voltage like USB C does, why do we need multiple apps to pay for charging when the car should be registered to a central system that can be charged to an account or just pay contactless. Make the process easy for the motorist and the numbers of people who change will climb faster. I also think that small engined hybrids should have been marketed more as the interim measure to allow for the charging network to be established rather than a complete cutoff.
Great point Tonys. Give me your u/name p/word and I'll make your remaining 51 posts to save us all.
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Which plugs are these 
The way the government has gone about it is the same as when they wanted us to get solar panels and green heating solutions. They got it wrong in the beginning then drop it after a couple of years when they have realised that they dropped the ball.
I wouldn't really call Tesco a 'destination' in the context of destination charging but its better than nothing. When Tesco charging was free I'd usually get home with more charge than I left with, happy days. When I am away from my home charger, I try to 'graze' at available opportunities where the char is otherwise parked up doing nothing. I'd rather grab 90 mins on a 7kw post when eating at restaurant which I was going to anyway than have to pull off at a services because I am 15% short from getting home.
Even at Tesco, a mix of 7/22/50kw chargers makes a lot of sense for public charging. 50kws' if you need a big top up in a relatively short period of time for a higher price and or 7/22kw units for those who want/need to graze at every opportunity. The same applies to other 'hour' stops like gyms etc.
When I say destination chargers, what I really mean is somewhere where you may stay for a number of hours after having driven for a reasonable amount of time, the obvious being hotels, tourist attractions, work car parks. Driving 200 miles to your hotel and plugging into a 7kw post to charge up overnight is a substantially better experience than driving 180 miles, spending 30+ mins on a rapid charger and then parking up in the hotel car park and still not having a full charge for the next day(s).
If you don't have home charging, you do have to adopt a 'always be charging mindset' and graze small amounts of power where it makes sense to do so on the public network instead of letting it run flat and spending 9 hours on a charge post filling all the way back up again.
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50 more insightful posts to go tonys!
Not sure UK supermarkets have yet decided to commit infrastructure/investment for high bandwidth ev charging, to duplicate their capacity for fossil refuelling,
should be a captive audience for 20-30minutes, and, the only place I go consistently week to week,
but maybe the customers who need the capability are not the demographic who spend the most in the shop, who have home charging - a dichotomy
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On the Chinese - well hyundai build quality question - this confirmed the earlier articles/my fears Kia EV6 | On The Hoist
so beauty in the cabin, but the what's happening beneath ? (under protected body work, lots of fasteners/bracing, discrete components, human welding on battery compartments)
they suggest 1990's construction ... Datsun?
on the other hand the integration of the tesla system octrovalve/castings do seem to represent high, accident repair and insurance cost implications.
should be a captive audience for 20-30minutes, and, the only place I go consistently week to week,
but maybe the customers who need the capability are not the demographic who spend the most in the shop, who have home charging - a dichotomy
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On the Chinese - well hyundai build quality question - this confirmed the earlier articles/my fears Kia EV6 | On The Hoist
so beauty in the cabin, but the what's happening beneath ? (under protected body work, lots of fasteners/bracing, discrete components, human welding on battery compartments)
they suggest 1990's construction ... Datsun?
on the other hand the integration of the tesla system octrovalve/castings do seem to represent high, accident repair and insurance cost implications.
Except you have got that totally wrong. Kia and Hyundai are both South Korean.
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can you list the plugs you know of in use in the uk?
Ice vehicles aren't registered to a central pay system so why should an ev?
Multiple apps = kinda but new regs will stop/ give the portion to pay contact's on 8kwh+ chargers.
On the subject of multiple apps, I bet the majority those that moan about them will already have a large number on their phones already.
Tiktok
Snapchat
Twitter/x
Telegram
Viber
Etc etc.
Not including the numerous other specific apps
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You do know Hyundai is Korean yeah?
Sainsburys have Kempower trials and Morisons getting new kit from genie, Lidl have the chargers etc. I think that’s evidence of what some have decided to do.
Jpaul the hypthosing stereotyper!
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Don't simp when there is an actual problem. I spent ages signing up for every logo on the charger at Morrisons to finally land on the right one and it said it was out of order.
yes, I know, which was why I said
the earlier article was lumping all pacific rims, as taking german market share