I upgraded my 2012 i5 3750k 8gb last month to stopgap Ryzen 3100, using my old 1060 card and rocking 32GB. Initially planning to get 5800x and 3070 but all the delays and thinking about it, I'll probably just go 5600 and 3060. Warzone is already playing much smoother just going to 3100 and increasing memory.
When did the PC hardware scene get so crazy and stressful?
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I might well do that, I've not pre-ordered one or anything nor in any rush to get one, but if they get decent reviews after being out for a couple of months etc.. then I'll probably pick one up next year.
I'm not sure it has much of a negative impact on him or the rest of us tbh... In fact it potentially has a positive impact. If people are willing to pay lots of money for hardwear they don't need then that funds R&D and in turn makes the other hardwear more affordable.
I mean the mid range model, the 3070, seems to give fairly similar performance in games compared to the old 2080ti (which costs about three times as much). That's going to devastate second hand prices too.
The guys who *have* to buy the latest 2080ti and then the latest 3080ti etc.. are taking the hit and doing the rest of us a favour if anything.
I mean I might buy a 3080 at some point next year.. but then again I could well end up getting a 3070 or second hand (and massively discounted) 2080ti.
(Also, completely tangential to this, the development of GPUs, funded by gamers wanting more and more performance, has lead to plenty of advances in machine learning/deep learning. The R&D the likes of Nvidia do to get the latest gaming GPUs to market can also be piggybacked to get other specialist GPUs produced for scientific computing, deep learning etc.. or indeed the gaming GPUs themselves can be used).
Yup many don't realise that it's the higher end buyers that fund exceptional performance vs value products for everyone down the line. Without sales of the top end models there would be no mid range. There'd be mediocre and high and that's it because there'd not be enough money flowing to R&D the stuff in between.
It's not about what impact you think it has on him, it's what impact he thinks it has on him. His view of it negatively impacting his enjoyment and his wallet is perfectly valid and if it means he is getting out of PC gaming then that's his choice and consoles are likely a better fit for him at this point.
That's just a perception issue tbh... I mean complaining about a problem that only exists if you allow it it, no one is forcing anyone to upgrade immediately and if you don't then you get plenty of value/benefit off the back of the people who do.
Main concern should be do you have sufficient hardwear to play the games you want to play... answer would tend to be yes... and that's quite easily achievable without having to go for the latest top of the range hardwear.
Same logic applies as before, that's your opinion not his. Sometimes (actually, a lot of the time in life) you just have to agree to disagree with people and accept they have different views. I do get the root where he is coming from, because the PC hardware and gaming industry and the FOMO mentality surrounding it has only been getting more ridiculous over the last few years.
I'm not disagreeing with his feelings etc.. I'm just saying it is a perception issue. It isn't an opinion to state that R&D is funded by the ability to sell these cards etc.. that's just fact.
I hear you and in the end I am sure we can look to justify the problems with the PC hardware and gaming industry in many similar ways.
I suppose there is also a difference in high end stuff selling for high end prices and the money going to manufacturers for future development or if he's talking about how pre order prices skyrocketed minutes after launch and people were paying hundreds over RRP in some cases, where presumably that money just ends up in a retailers or distributors back pocket.
Of course, but that only matters if you're one of the people desperate to get in the latest cards ASAP. If you're just interested in having a machine for gaming then it doesn't need affect you, you get the benefit of either second hand prices dropping like a stone on previous top of the range cards that are still more than enough for your needs or just picking up a mid range card that is as good as the top of the range one from the last series... something that you're able to do in part because of the cash everyone else is willing to spend.
And the price of everything still goes up generation by generation, whether low-end, high-end, mid-range, used or otherwise; fuelled to a large degree by the MANY people desperate to get the latest cards ASAP.
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Not really, these are new products. Prices of 2080ti should probably take quite a hit for example. You wouldn't have this tech available at this price if it wasn't for so many people funding it via their purchases.
If you had a smaller market then perhaps the best Nvidia could have developed at this point would be something equivalent to say a 1080ti... and at the cost of say a current 3080... instead you can buy one second hand now and/or buy a brand new mid range card that has insanely good performance.
Larger the market for this stuff and the more they can sell the better available improved GPU tech is for everyone and at a better price than we'd otherwise be paying, this stuff is literally driving the R&D efforts in this area, everyone who wants to take advantage of GPUs benefits from that.
Lets just agree to disagree on this particular topic, no need for extended circular arguments and I think we have both made our thoughts clear.
Lets just agree to disagree on this particular topic, no need for extended circular arguments and I think we have both made our thoughts clear.
No worries
To be clear I'm not disagreeing with people's feelings or anything here... I think that's it's perfectly valid either being dismayed at the hype/pre-orders etc.. I get that people have some psychological anchoring re: pricing too in that some product ending in '70 or '80 should cost X amount etc... even though it has no real relation to a previous product ending in '70 or '80 etc... beyond marketing. I was just trying to highlight that some of it is counter intuitive and based on stuff that is rather illusory.
You've got to remember we're going through a massive change in upgrading HD resolution to 4K resolution. I understand some people are resitant to the change, whether it's because 4K graphics do very little to improve their CSGO performance on their small monitor, or just hesitant to spend the extra cash when HD can already provide quality images. Whatever the reason, there is no doubt 4K HDR is a luxurious gaming experience. And the amount of graphics processing power required is enormous compared to HD, and that's before we even get into real time ray tracing.
That's why the mid range graphics cards now cost £500 instead of £250, and why there are more supply issues due to the extra manufacturing issues required to create these cards. That, plus people are finally realising that yes, on a 55 inch tv, 4K HDR is the absolute ****.
Still no excusing Nvidia for this horrible paper launch (and for neutrality sake, no excusing AMD if they do similar).
I do miss the day when I bought my GTX1060 6GB for under £200 and it just ate up anything I threw at it in HD, with a slightly creaking but still very useable i5 2500k. Good times.
Edit - t its is censored? Is this a forum for children? What if I wanted to discuss bird watching?
That's why the mid range graphics cards now cost £500 instead of £250, and why there are more supply issues due to the extra manufacturing issues required to create these cards. That, plus people are finally realising that yes, on a 55 inch tv, 4K HDR is the absolute ****.
Still no excusing Nvidia for this horrible paper launch (and for neutrality sake, no excusing AMD if they do similar).
I do miss the day when I bought my GTX1060 6GB for under £200 and it just ate up anything I threw at it in HD, with a slightly creaking but still very useable i5 2500k. Good times.
Edit - t its is censored? Is this a forum for children? What if I wanted to discuss bird watching?
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Laptop + console seems a better move now than upgrading my PC given the costs and gain
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Nobody needs 4k HDR to enjoy gaming.
You can get a 1650 super for £150 and enjoy 1080p gaming like before.