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When you can't sell your hardware on its own merits...

Why only Samsang devices? HTC, LG, Sony? All of them have the same Adreno hardware..

Desperate move to take out the top performing competitor and nothing more.
 
Those are some pretty broad patents. It's difficult to see how anyone could make a GPU without infringing the one of them.

It makes me wonder how many other companies are paying Nvidia licensing for them.
 
triss said:
Yeah seen that today on another site
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/04/nv...-samsung-galaxy-devices-blocked-from-the-u-s/


The entire concept of the GPU, or a dedicated graphics processing chip
Programmable shading
Unified shading
Multithreaded processing on a GPU

Some of the things IMO there trying to patent are silly and i hope it gets thrown out
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This pretty much sums it up....

I guess it's expected...businesses are aways more interested in lining their pockets, even if it means at the cost of slowing down the pace of tech progression and hurting the end-user in the long run...

Anti-competition is what this is...
 
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I think Power VR should sue Nvidia for ripping their technology off then?

American company trying to bash a Korean company shocker.
 
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I think the Computer Industry should grow up.

All these law suits and counter claims, what a waste of money.

And who pays for it in the end, we do with higher prices.

Anyone take much notice of what Lotus is doing these days, they put so much effort into suing the competition when they were the dominant force in their field. Unfortunately they took their eye off the ball with their product and look where they are now.
 
almighty15 said:
Why only Samsang devices? HTC, LG, Sony? All of them have the same Adreno hardware..

Desperate move to take out the top performing competitor and nothing more.
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because samsung makes around 30 billions a year, the Big intel i think they made like 12 ? the rest of the landscape looks like smallfish compared to samsung.
but you can't blame Nvidia, these are extremely deep pockets, it's worth a try...
such patents are idiotic imo, soon you wont be able to take a dump without being sued for sitting on your right buttcheek.
 
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Didn’t PowerVR have Programmable shading and Unified shading long before NVidia? Not sure who was first on Multithreaded processing on a GPU.

http://www.google.com/patents/US6198488
That one PowerVR had well before NVidia. NVidia filing date Dec 6, 1999. PowerVR old pre 1999 series 2 chips outside the PC market had hardware T&L with Transform, lighting and rasterization system embodied on a single semiconductor platform.
 
Well, its a good way to get your tech in the worlds biggest Mobile Phone maker, burn your bridges and sue them...

And i wonder how much longer Nvidia GPU's will be running those lovely Samy Memory IC's

Samsung, the world's biggest smartphone maker, said it would fight Nvidia's lawsuits.
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oh dear... this is going to be messy.
 
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humbug said:
Well, its a good way to get your tech in the worlds biggest Mobile Phone maker, burn your bridges and sue them...
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I think that was the problem they couldn’t gain any real market share so instead are trying to gain money from everyone else’s market share.
 
Pottsey said:
I think that was the problem they couldn’t gain any real market share so instead are trying to gain money from everyone else’s market share.
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I know, :) but this isn't the way to do it, not one Mobile Phone / Tablet maker is going to touch anything Nvidia now.

Its a trust thing. Nvidia has just sent out a signal that they have no qualms about getting into a fight with the biggest name in Mobile Technology, all of them are going to be running scared of Nvidia, they are not going to have any trust in them... they will not want anything to do with them.
 
I remember AMD suing Intel a couple of times. Seems the way forward for these big companies :(

Didn't AMD get taken to court for misleading investors over llano as well? Could be wrong on that.

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And didn't AMD sue or try and sue some former employee's who left AMD to work for nVidia for allegedly stealing documents?
 
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Gregster said:
I remember AMD suing Intel a couple of times. Seems the way forward for these big companies :(
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I think AMD had an actual case, whereas this seems more akin to Apple type suing to avoid direct competition.

humbug said:
I know, :) but this isn't the way to do it, not one Mobile Phone / Tablet maker is going to touch anything Nvidia now.
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I love it when you make hilarious claims.
 
I can't quite tell as the wording on Nvidia's blog is horrendous.

ur 7,000 issued and pending patents include inventions vital to modern computing. We have chosen seven of those patents to assert in these cases.

Those patents include our foundational invention, the GPU, which puts onto a single chip all the functions necessary to process graphics and light up screens; our invention of programmable shading, which allows non-experts to program sophisticated graphics; our invention of unified shaders, which allow every processing unit in the GPU to be used for different purposes; and our invention of multithreaded parallel processing in GPUs, which enables processing to occur concurrently on separate threads while accessing the same memory and other resources.
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Now I read it as, we have loads of patents, we're suing over 7 patents. Those (7 patents) include......

It could be read is we have 7000 patents, we're suing over 7 patents. Those (7000) patents include.....

The former makes the most sense, the latter could potentially be what they meant.

If they want to patent troll over the latter.... then someone will be able to come back at them for equally broad concepts. Someone invented the CPU and thus can sue Nvidia over their cpu's, what about the concept of computer code... someone sue Nvidia over that.

It's very odd, if they are suing Samsung over effectively those broad concepts.... then they could sue almost anyone out there making anything to do with graphics. I hope they just worded it badly and are at least going after Samsung for 7 much much more specific things otherwise it's just the worst case of patent trolling yet... and that is saying something.

Some judges/courts are getting pretty fed up of patent trolls now, again if it's these broad concepts they are talking about, then I hope they spend a crapload, lose, samsung spend an even bigger crapload and Nvidia end up liable for the costs.

Maybe it's just that Samsung seem to have crappy lawyers(or Apple are better at bribing people).... being sued over rounded edges of a device, lol. Apple are horrendous patent trolls.
 
Gregster said:
I remember AMD suing Intel a couple of times. Seems the way forward for these big companies :(

Didn't AMD get taken to court for misleading investors over llano as well? Could be wrong on that.
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Comparing patent trolling to genuine lawsuits is silly, AMD were a genuine victim of a decade or more of Intel illegally paying companies not to sell AMD products. It's completely illegal, utterly legitimate to sue a company over and they won. If AMD had billions in cash on hand and could have afforded the lawsuit.. they'd have won potentially $10billion or more off Intel in damages. The ridiculous nature of the law is Intel could afford to fight the court case till AMD was bankrupt, appealing the court, taking years and AMD literally didn't have the funds to pay lawyers for that long so they took a fraction of that in a settlement.

Similar to Creative vs.. Aureal is it(i forget the name specifically), they did some dodgy as hell things but had more money and in that case really did bankrupt the other company and "won" the battle via bankruptcy.

If you have more money then you don't have to be right to "win" a legal battle. :(
 
drunkenmaster said:
Comparing patent trolling to genuine lawsuits is silly, AMD were a genuine victim of a decade or more of Intel illegally paying companies not to sell AMD products. It's completely illegal, utterly legitimate to sue a company over and they won. If AMD had billions in cash on hand and could have afforded the lawsuit.. they'd have won potentially $10billion or more off Intel in damages. The ridiculous nature of the law is Intel could afford to fight the court case till AMD was bankrupt, appealing the court, taking years and AMD literally didn't have the funds to pay lawyers for that long so they took a fraction of that in a settlement.

Similar to Creative vs.. Aureal is it(i forget the name specifically), they did some dodgy as hell things but had more money and in that case really did bankrupt the other company and "won" the battle via bankruptcy.

If you have more money then you don't have to be right to "win" a legal battle. :(
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No, I said lawsuits seems the norm regardless of me agreeing/disagreeing with it. And it is the consumer who pays for it in the end with higher prices to cover losses/lawyers fees etc.

The thing that makes me chuckle and it seriously does is poor old AMD and bad nVidia always :D
 
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