I know there is another regular thread, but I am finding this movie fascinating from the point of view of examining where it went wrong, how would you fix it, and trying to read between the lines of what (if any) the original intentions were for the movie.
Every time I think about this movie, I do actually like it. I want to love it but I can't. I keep wondering at what point in the process did it get derailed.
Here are my personal thoughts about how it got derailed with a bit of how I'd have fixed it in editing. What we do know as fact is they reshot a few scenes to add the humour. This is often the part that rings the most false throughout the movie, good humour needs flow not bad one liners filmed months later.
There was a lot of mystery about what they were going to deal with in the city, they literally almost left it out of the script entirely. If the original filming/script was planning on it being a Joker driven storyline they could have easily changed the weird human hybrid monsters with VFX. If you look at all the Joker henchmen they always had weird hats/helmets on.
One of the biggest criticisms leveled at the movie is why relatively regular people, albeit crazy sociopaths, would be put against world ending events; it took presumably at least a day or two to get them out of prison, inject in their necks and get them to whatever the city was. While we are lead to believe that Batman, Wonderwoman and The Flash just sat idly by.
If they were planning on a toned down storyline and Warner Bros. decided to force a big bad world ending event on them. Most of the original filming could have gone either way. Diablo wasn't the hugely over powered character until right at the end. He did nothing for 90% of the movie. The tone of the movie literally changed the second Waller stepped onto the helicopter. On my second watch through the movie I was keeping an eye on dialogue and I only counted twice two vague references to "spinning ring of trash in the sky". Once by Harley and the other Deadshot.
Another option would be a world ending event that the Suicide Squad were going to have nothing to do with and Warner Bros. intervened and forced it. Again with the tone changed with Waller + Chopper. Perhaps it was supposed to be a storyline in the background while The Justice league was off battling the big bad? But we don't see that part until the 2017 movie?
So how would I have edited it before it hit the cinema? I would have had the witch woman in some exotic foreign city looking for her brothers statue. She gets away from Waller during which confusion the Joker is looking for Harley discovers the Suicide Squad plan and also steals the witches heart. The Joker tracks the witch down and gets her to lay waste to the foreign city in order to drawer out the Suicide Squad. Waller is in the city, in that room as some kind of CIA safe house, the Joker kidnaps Waller to get the neck bombs deactivated.
You cut all the SEAL team stuff, you cut the Brother terrible CGI monster thing, the Suicide Squad are there for US government deniability. Flag is there AWOL and simply try to get his crazy witch girlfriend back.
The bad guys with the weird lumpy heads are just Joker henchmen, maybe a bit enhanced by the witch but not total conversation we saw in the Cinema. Perhaps with a Joker twist to make them more crazy/weird.
You can have the same roof top scene with Harley jumping to the chopper and getting away with the Joker, but right at the end. In between you do cool shots of Suicide Squad having big fights and explosions. They can have a toned down fight with the witch as the Joker tells her to take them out as he cant face them himself. Pretty much the same scene, just no swirly thing in the sky and not Harley saving the day. Use Katana instead (making her relevant) and have Flag crush the heart.
Not a perfect recut, but one that both saves the already filmed footage. Very little reshoots and saving VFX budget by not having swirly crap in the sky or a giant walking Egyptian guy fighting Diablo. Diablo who by the way in this movie can just throw fire.
Just my rambling thoughts, I am sure no one read it all.
Every time I think about this movie, I do actually like it. I want to love it but I can't. I keep wondering at what point in the process did it get derailed.
Here are my personal thoughts about how it got derailed with a bit of how I'd have fixed it in editing. What we do know as fact is they reshot a few scenes to add the humour. This is often the part that rings the most false throughout the movie, good humour needs flow not bad one liners filmed months later.
There was a lot of mystery about what they were going to deal with in the city, they literally almost left it out of the script entirely. If the original filming/script was planning on it being a Joker driven storyline they could have easily changed the weird human hybrid monsters with VFX. If you look at all the Joker henchmen they always had weird hats/helmets on.
One of the biggest criticisms leveled at the movie is why relatively regular people, albeit crazy sociopaths, would be put against world ending events; it took presumably at least a day or two to get them out of prison, inject in their necks and get them to whatever the city was. While we are lead to believe that Batman, Wonderwoman and The Flash just sat idly by.
If they were planning on a toned down storyline and Warner Bros. decided to force a big bad world ending event on them. Most of the original filming could have gone either way. Diablo wasn't the hugely over powered character until right at the end. He did nothing for 90% of the movie. The tone of the movie literally changed the second Waller stepped onto the helicopter. On my second watch through the movie I was keeping an eye on dialogue and I only counted twice two vague references to "spinning ring of trash in the sky". Once by Harley and the other Deadshot.
Another option would be a world ending event that the Suicide Squad were going to have nothing to do with and Warner Bros. intervened and forced it. Again with the tone changed with Waller + Chopper. Perhaps it was supposed to be a storyline in the background while The Justice league was off battling the big bad? But we don't see that part until the 2017 movie?
So how would I have edited it before it hit the cinema? I would have had the witch woman in some exotic foreign city looking for her brothers statue. She gets away from Waller during which confusion the Joker is looking for Harley discovers the Suicide Squad plan and also steals the witches heart. The Joker tracks the witch down and gets her to lay waste to the foreign city in order to drawer out the Suicide Squad. Waller is in the city, in that room as some kind of CIA safe house, the Joker kidnaps Waller to get the neck bombs deactivated.
You cut all the SEAL team stuff, you cut the Brother terrible CGI monster thing, the Suicide Squad are there for US government deniability. Flag is there AWOL and simply try to get his crazy witch girlfriend back.
The bad guys with the weird lumpy heads are just Joker henchmen, maybe a bit enhanced by the witch but not total conversation we saw in the Cinema. Perhaps with a Joker twist to make them more crazy/weird.
You can have the same roof top scene with Harley jumping to the chopper and getting away with the Joker, but right at the end. In between you do cool shots of Suicide Squad having big fights and explosions. They can have a toned down fight with the witch as the Joker tells her to take them out as he cant face them himself. Pretty much the same scene, just no swirly thing in the sky and not Harley saving the day. Use Katana instead (making her relevant) and have Flag crush the heart.
Not a perfect recut, but one that both saves the already filmed footage. Very little reshoots and saving VFX budget by not having swirly crap in the sky or a giant walking Egyptian guy fighting Diablo. Diablo who by the way in this movie can just throw fire.
Just my rambling thoughts, I am sure no one read it all.
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