Where does science & technology end and fantasy begin?

AcidHell2 said:
:confused: we have already showen it can be slowed down and speed up, as well as quantum atoms being in two different places at the same time as well as all the theorised stuff.
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That's not evidence of a dimension but an observed effect, where as space is a dimension we can move within.

The theory that time is a dimension doesn't make sense, there is only ever the present or rather simply space and stuff moving and changing state, stuff runs at different speeds in certain situations but is just some quantum effect, the past and future don't exist.
 
But you can move in time, satellites are moving through time slower than us. And if you could get near the speed of light time slows down vastly compare to the people on earth. How is that just an observation. It is moving within it.
 
AcidHell2 said:
But you can move in time, satellites are moving through time slower than us. And if you could get near the speed of light time slows down vastly compare to the people on earth. How is that just an observation. It is moving within it.
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Ah but they're really not are they?

Think about this, if i freeze myself and travel to a distant star i may be the same age but time has passed the same, if a bunch of atoms in a satellite move at a slightly slower rate no dimension has been crossed they just haven't changed state as much as everything else, thats why time is relative.

edit: actually its all how you define time, ill say they move at a slower rate of time but time is merely our way of measuring the rate of change in the universe and some stuff can run at different rates depending on thier situation, it is however an effect and no dimension like space exists.
 
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Thatdepends what you class as time and dimensions.

If you where in orbit around the earth at 99% speed of light for several years you would age only a fraction but the earth, technology and people would have moved on 10's or hundreds of years. I would class that as moving though time. Or as Hawkins explained it in a train going around the world.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Thatdepends what you class as time and dimensions.

If you where in orbit around the wart at 99% speed of light for several years you would age only a fraction but the earth, technology and people would have moved on 10's or hundreds of years. I would class that as moving though time.
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Yeah but i consider it no different than freezing yourself for just as long and waiting, you haven't traveled through time you were just traveling at the speed of light for all those hundreds of years.
 
Freezing yourself doesn't change time, it just slows the ageing process. Where traveling fast actually changes time. Relativity means you can see the result and not pop out of existence.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Freezing yourself doesn't change time, it just slows the ageing process. Where traveling fast actually changes time. Relativity means you can see the result and not pop out of existence.
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Yes but you only move forward and exist while everything else does, your rate of change may be different and if you want to call it time thats fine but its relative and no dimension exists, stuff changes and moves about it space, thats it, doesn't that make more sense?
 
Hawkins doesn't think the past exists or at least unable to go to it. It seems that we can only go northward but the speed of that forward rate is changeable, therefore we can move about in time but only on one heading.


You aren't moving in space, space is three dimensional. To slow your ageing down compared to others you need to move in time. Freezing yourself does not slow time down youre box will still interact, rust and what not at the same rate. You're just preserving yourself.
 
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Radiation said:
I mean you're moving about it space.

So you think the past still exists then?

What about the future?
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It's been explained a few times, Its even been made into a television show now.

It's been theorised, By an extremely brainy man(So I'll stick with believing him)

That extreme weight\mass causes time to slow down, Hense time travelling slower near black holes.

So, If you were near a black hole time is essentially halfed, Which would mean looking out towards where time is at normal speed would essentially be looking into the future.

If you don't believe the theories put for by steven hawkings, fair enough. but I think I'll stick with the guy who's intelligence is immense
 
AcidHell2 said:
Hawkins doesn't think the past exists or at least unable to go to it. It seems that we can only go northward but the speed of that forward rate is changeable, therefore we can move about in time but only on one heading.
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Thats kind of what im saying but the explanation is a bit different, to me time is just the rate of change for individual things (particles etc) but its not a dimension which is why the past doesn't exist and neither does the future, any change to the rate something changes is just that, so if one thing goes slower than another thing it hasn't somehow traveled to the future because the second thing was changing quicker, it was just slower.
 
Which comes back to what do you class as a dimension and time. Iwould say your classification is wrong. You can move within time. That change is time and if you can manipulate it then it is a dimension.

Also isn't it theorised at quantum level you can go back in time.
 
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