Wheres my pension gone?

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Anyone wantching this?

Man it is going to be busy at work tomorrow(I work for a pension company), good job i have the day off hehe.

Any one have any views on this?
 
$loth said:
It's just plain robbery. You give them money, they don't give it back.

Certainly made me not want to join a company pension scheme, more like put it away myself in a savings account etc.


I cant blame you mate, although not all pensions are like it i deal with hundreds a day and they are all fine.
 
I've been in my company pension scheme since I was 16. 4% matched for about 10 years. The next 6 or so I've put in 8% matched. Its still practically worthless. More and more of my collegues have given up on it. They have reduced payments and directed it into either additional property or bigger morgages.

I'm about to do the same. Chances are I will have to work til i'm nearly 70 and will die before then, or give up work and then peg it like so many I know seem to do. :(
 
The biggest problem it that people just cant afford to put shed loads of cash in there and the funds that they invest in are not that good. Even though i work in pensions i dont want one, although i have one, but i would much rather put the money somewhere i am going to get a good return, the only problem is where do you go to get a good return once the money goes in to your pension you are stuck till you are aged at least 50!
 
With heart disease on my mums side and cancer on my dads I won't need a pension :( Although I do have a reasonable non contributory final salary scheme (they tried to take it away but got sued and either backed down or lost - the contract of employment was on our side).
 
Hades said:
With heart disease on my mums side and cancer on my dads I won't need a pension :( Although I do have a reasonable non contributory final salary scheme (they tried to take it away but got sued and either backed down or lost - the contract of employment was on our side).

No i am depressed
 
The Fire Service brought in a new pension about six months ago for all new recruits. I am on the old system and pay twice as much towards my pension as the noobs. They are working hard to try to get everyone to transfer over to the new one as it means they can save money by only making employers contributions of 6% as opposed to 11%.

I received a pack from them last week with all my details and an extra page showing how things would be if I transferred to the new pension. The difference between the two was no more than £300 per annum and £600 in my lump sum. The big change is that at the moment, I can retire at 53 but under their new scheme, I can't retire until I'm 65.

Now, pardon me for being sceptical but who the hell wants someone who's 65 dragging them from a burning house? The thing the employers didn't want us to know is that at any time they can decide you are not fit to carry out the job and allocate you to a paper shuffling desk job with a far lower salary and then base your final pension on that amount.

:eek:
 
Axis64 said:
No i am depressed

made me shudder to think the fat bosses getting richer and the working guy getting sod all after working there 41 years wow
and that guy breaking down after been told they only luxury he had was giant train set you could see it was the love of his life
dam how depressing it was to see all those folk now having to live on nothing
all on the bread line
 
Given how unreliable pensions are in modern times, I bet there'll be fewer people to scoff at my suggestion: whack it into stocks!

Even in the old days, when pensions could be relied upon, they still weren't as good as stocks, but the problem is scaremongering. People with little or no actual knowledge just cry "crash" and their job is done.

But I wouldn't be surprised if less than one in one thousand people in this country know the very real and established fact that historically, on a real long-term basis i.e. not one year, not three years or even five years, but decades, the stock market has far outperformed all other forms of investment...including property!

I'm sure there will be many people who will argue the toss over this, but the figures are there in several easy-to-find sources, for anybody to see. I myself found this out in a high brow historical study of stocks over the last century here.

I shalln't do your work for you Doubting Thomas; I just suggest you don't pipe up without first looking into it. I can't recall the numbers, but I do remember the chart, and exactly how the line representing stock market profit grew steadily, geometrically away from all other lines over the years and decades of the twentieth century. Now what you might validly argue, is that such a trend will not continue...but that's just conjecture, whereas I'm supplying historical information for the last one hundred years!
 
I'm happy enough with my pension.
It's a private pension fund - although the company I worked for when I was 16 bought the guy in to chat with us all the scheme wasn't directly linked with the company etc.
Over the years (15 to be exact) for the majority of those I've continued to pay into it as has whoever employed me at the time.
There was a brief period while I was contracting where I didn't make regular contributions, but I did put some lump sums in at the end of the year.
At the moment the company I work for matches my contribution 100% into this private pension fund.

I keep on getting the forecasts and even at the lowest expected growth I should be fine.
At the average expected growth the world will be great and if it performs at the higher rate, well...

I think this is all mainly down to the fact I started when I was 16 and over the years I've been lucky enough to work for companies that all pay into the same fund as it is obviously seen as a proper fund.
I'd hate to have small pots of pension all over the place.
 
I saw bits of it, I was doing other stuff at the same time but it seems pretty shocking. I'm surprised more people don't take care of their own retirement fund. I.e. direct debit x amount each month to an ISA/savings account and forget about it, plus you always have the reassurance it's there should you ever need it.

You may not end up with as much, but at least it's pretty safe.
 
The company ones I have had in the past have been as mentioned before daylight robbery. I mean they were charging me about £50 to send me a letter which comes out of the fund. After one scheme collapsed I realised I will probably never retire I will just drop working. Lets face it by the time many of us come to retire the Government will have probably raised the pension age to 76 or something.

I have two pensions now, one is my contracted out or SERPs and the other a non-contributary company. If you want a unbeatable pension work in the civil service.
 
Deadly Ferret said:
Given how unreliable pensions are in modern times, I bet there'll be fewer people to scoff at my suggestion: whack it into stocks!

Even in the old days, when pensions could be relied upon, they still weren't as good as stocks, but the problem is scaremongering. People with little or no actual knowledge just cry "crash" and their job is done.

But I wouldn't be surprised if less than one in one thousand people in this country know the very real and established fact that historically, on a real long-term basis i.e. not one year, not three years or even five years, but decades, the stock market has far outperformed all other forms of investment...including property!

I'm sure there will be many people who will argue the toss over this, but the figures are there in several easy-to-find sources, for anybody to see. I myself found this out in a high brow historical study of stocks over the last century here.

I shalln't do your work for you Doubting Thomas; I just suggest you don't pipe up without first looking into it. I can't recall the numbers, but I do remember the chart, and exactly how the line representing stock market profit grew steadily, geometrically away from all other lines over the years and decades of the twentieth century. Now what you might validly argue, is that such a trend will not continue...but that's just conjecture, whereas I'm supplying historical information for the last one hundred years!

Just as many people have lost money on the stock market as have made money. Of course, if you buy the right stocks at the right time, and sell them at the right time, then you can do very well. I find it amusing that you think investing in equities is more reliable than pensions. Both are inherently risky, to my mind.

As for figures proving that the stock market outperforms other areas of investment, yes I have seen charts which show this; I just doubt their accuracy. For example, what they call a 'high interest savings account' usually involves a very uncompetitive interest rate with a High Street bank. Also, just because the market may rise 10% a year (for example), it doesn't mean that you or I could have realised those returns, even by investing in an index tracker, which a) always slightly underperform the market, and b) have ongoing fees/commission, which other forms of investment such as a savings account or property do not.

Am I right in inferring that you have made a bit of money on the markets yourself in recent years and thus think you know it all? ;)
 
I pay 7% of my salary into my stakeholder and the company then matches it. Looking at the figure over the years it has done quite well. The thing is though, i will probably never see that money again, because the world will have been blown up by VIRII, CBS and Visage by then! :rolleyes: :eek:
 
I'm actually happier with my money purchase pension that with a final salary pension.

I know I have no guaranteed income but I get to choose the funds into which I put my money and I know the total value of the fund at any given point.
Some of my friends who are on final salary schemes have had their contributions almost doubled from a few years ago.

I've gone for mostly trackers of UK, Europe and USA indexes with 15% in emerging markets that will hopefully grow a bit. My employer puts in double my contribution and I get 40% tax relief on it. Win all round as far as I am concerned.
 
I currently pay only 2%, and my employer pays 3%. If I raise this, which I'll do later this year, I pay 3% and them 4%. It then goes up to 5% and 7%, or finally 6% off me and 9% off them.

They closed their final salary several years ago unfortunately, I'm stuck on a money purchase scheme. The fund has a deficit of at least £1bn, but it'll be clear within the next few years as they've committed to it (HBOS).
 
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