Where's the OUTRAGE?

Chronos-X said:
Muslamabad no doubt :mad: Hang him, I know what he looks like as I saw it on the 'Mail :mad:
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The little fellas are out in force today
 
scorza said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6384073.stm

So a terrorist suspect is being detained without trial for 96 hours. Its a police state for whites now :mad: Its a perpetual war against geeks that we'll never win. I'm changing my location to Oceania.
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Well sorry to burst your bubble but a big difference in this case is that the arrrest occurred after there were multiple attacks. Its hard to moan about someones arrest after people have been injured. Unless of course you are of the tin foil hat persuasion and believe that all crimes are committed by agents working for the secret government cabel.

If memory serves there wasn't a lot of moaning about the arrest of the failed suicide bombers, nor about the length of the time they were held for questioning before being charged.

The occurences that you obliquely refer to were about foiled attacks, hence the possibility that like Forest Gate there wasn't an actual terrorist atrocity being planned.
 
Sleepy said:
Well sorry to burst your bubble but a big difference in this case is that the arrrest occurred after there were multiple attacks. Its hard to moan about someones arrest after people have been injured. Unless of course you are of the tin foil hat persuasion and believe that all crimes are committed by agents working for the secret government cabel.

If memory serves there wasn't a lot of moaning about the arrest of the failed suicide bombers, nor about the length of the time they were held for questioning before being charged.

The occurences that you obliquely refer to were about foiled attacks, hence the possibility that like Forest Gate there wasn't an actual terrorist atrocity being planned.
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Surely conspiracy to commit murder is a serious offence? Are you seriously suggesting that we shouldn't arrest people if there's evidence that they're going to commit murder, but rather wait for them to actually commit the murder?
 
scorza said:
Surely conspiracy to commit murder is a serious offence?
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Agree
Are you seriously suggesting that we shouldn't arrest people if there's evidence that they're going to commit murder, but rather wait for them to actually commit the murder?
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Nope.

I have no problem with say the allegeded liquid explosive airline bombers being arrested and held for a while before being charged. The police do have to be allowed to investigate, and part of that process is questioning the suspect(s). However there needs to limits that process and judicial oversight is a good way of ensuring that the rights of the individual are not trampled over by the machinery of the states police.

The point being that its a lot easier for people to moan about unfair police practises if their hasn't been a victim of the planned crime. Hence the lack of outrage at the suspect being held for an extra day in this case.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I must admit I'm curious to know he motive, if indeed he is guilty. Seems he is.
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Me too. I don't see much connection between a lot of his targets (well, there were driving organisations and a forecsics lab or something, not exactly similar).
 
96 HOURS...they can hol;d anyone for any indictable offence...so long as court gives approval...then extension of that approval.
 
I think its disgusting that a white man can be held for all that time when obviously he must be innocent.
Its about time the authorities stopped putting safety first for the public and make 100% sure that whoever they arrest is definitely guilty.
Or perhaps because we are white we don't give a stuff and we don't get up in arms about white people being detained and questioned.
 
Dr.EM said:
Me too. I don't see much connection between a lot of his targets (well, there were driving organisations and a forecsics lab or something, not exactly similar).
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Yeah it's weird, he cycled everywhere. Dont see why he would have an axe to grind with the dvla.
 
The sad fact of the matter is that not enough people are getting enraged about the right things. You are all debating the treatment of this man, when you should be discussing the iminent possibility of none of us getting a fair trial in the future, as the current government are attempting to get trials held without a jury. We have no constitutional right to a trial by our peers and Princess Tony thinks that many cases are so complicated that the general public cannot be trusted to deliver the 'right' verdict. Examination shows that this is complete bunkum and even in the most complicated fraud trials, the jurors have understood all the implications of the evidence. However, as this doesn't fit into his 'nanny knows best and we're watching you just to make sure' ideal, he just wants to do away with us all together.
 
scorza said:
I'm not trolling (much). It just strikes me as odd that whenever someone is arrested and suspected of being an Islamic terrorist we get the usual suspects, Gareth Pierce, Liberty bint, Imran Khan et al complaining about a police state etc. Yet nothing for this guy? We can't blame the BBC because they have reported it and stuck it on the news ticker (which is where I saw it). Is this an example of racism in our own society?
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This isn't about him being a muslim but that they think he's a terrorist.

Simple, no? :confused:
 
cleanbluesky said:
This isn't an attempt to troll is it?

Come on. Come out from under the bridge you cute little troll. I have a fish for you... fishy, fishy, fishy...
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I actually laughed out loud... very loud :p



As to the original post, 96 hours isn't long, he's a suspect, he ought to be detained.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Does anyone know what law they have arrested him under?
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He's not arrested, he's temporarily detained, under the terrorism act. It allows them to hold terror suspects for a certain amount of time I believe.

I'm not in SC so I cba to source this, someone will be able to let me know right or wrong.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Does anyone know what law they have arrested him under?
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Don't you usually talk about there is no evidence, how people are treating this man as if he is guilty without proof, how the system is corrupt about now in terrorism threads?

Or is there a difference in this case?
 
cleanbluesky said:
Don't you usually talk about there is no evidence, how people are treating this man as if he is guilty without proof, how the system is corrupt about now in terrorism threads?

Or is there a difference in this case?
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Your attempt at point scorring is laughable. It was a genuine question as to what law was he arrested under - but it appears he has not been arrested, just detained (what's the diff?).

I am still a fundamental believer in innocent until proven guilty - something that will never change regardless of who or what.
 
cleanbluesky said:
Don't you usually talk about there is no evidence, how people are treating this man as if he is guilty without proof, how the system is corrupt about now in terrorism threads?

Or is there a difference in this case?
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Don't you usually talk about 'dangerous ideologies' and whinge about 'integration'?

Or is there a difference in this case?
 
badgermonkey said:
He's not arrested, he's temporarily detained, under the terrorism act. It allows them to hold terror suspects for a certain amount of time I believe.
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By arresting some one you detain them for questioning. So the difference is simply a matter of semantics.

If arrested under anti terror legislation then detention is governed by The Terrorism Act 2000 (c. 11) as modified by The Terrorism Act 2006 (c. 23)
 
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