Which 670?

[Cleeecooo]

MSI has UK base too

I believe it's actually a Netherlands base

EDIT: Yep, netherlands:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18231329&highlight=Warranty's

I'm not trying to prove anything.

I just asked a question and posted what Gibbo said which seems to be contrary to what he said later.

He also said this:



So maybe 1400MHz for gaming is just pie in the sky anyway.

oh

All these 670 threads are confusing me, sorry

 

[Gibbo]

I'm not trying to prove anything.

I just asked a question and posted what Gibbo said which seems to be contrary to what he said later.

He also said this:



So maybe 1400MHz for gaming is just pie in the sky anyway.

Correct 1400MHz is the absolute max the very best cards will do for benchmarking only, game stable will be 1250-1350MHz on cards with 8+6 pin power and about 1100-1200MHz on 6+6 pin cards.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Correct 1400MHz is the absolute max the very best cards will do for benchmarking only, game stable will be 1250-1350MHz on cards with 8+6 pin power and about 1100-1200MHz on 6+6 pin cards.

So does 8+6 = better OC than 6+6?

 

[Surveyor]

I believe it's actually a Netherlands base

EDIT: Yep, netherlands:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18231329&highlight=Warranty's

OcUK will deal with MSI RMAs for the whole warranty so there's no need to send anything to the Netherlands,

Ioh

All these 670 threads are confusing me, sorry

No problem

I was just interested in what proof there was for "6+8 pin is best".

Maybe it should be the "large PCB is best".

As you say, time and overclocking results will tell.

 

[Gibbo]

Gibbo lists 3 cards capable of ~1400MHz on the core clock, including the Asus.

They all have the long PCB.

Two have 6+8 pin and one has 6+6pin.

Therefore the long PCB makes the difference not the 6+8 pin power.

Nope I think it's definitely the 8+6 pin giving the extra OC headroom. But the full length PCB cards definitely run cooler.

Unfortunately the Asus is struggling to get beyond 1200MHz from my own testing and other reviews I've seen, which s dissapounting.

 

[Surveyor]

Correct 1400MHz is the absolute max the very best cards will do for benchmarking only, game stable will be 1250-1350MHz on cards with 8+6 pin power and about 1100-1200MHz on 6+6 pin cards.

If that's the case why is the Asus 6+6 pin card listed in the "Approx 1400MHz max aircooled core clock" category?

 

[OptimaLnrg]

680 is only capable of pulling 1.21v and is software locked to 1.175v. Extra 0.026v by unlocked software? meh

so 670 probably similar story, guess we will see soon enough.

hence 6+8pin = meh

680 pcb +670 core is probably the driving factor for the higher clocks.

One all the early adopters have their 670s tomorrow we'll get some lovely figures :0

 

[Cleeecooo]

OcUK will deal with MSI RMAs for the whole warranty so there's no need to send anything to the Netherlands,

It'll be faster

It does cost £15 more though

 

[masscrazy]

OcUK will deal with MSI RMAs for the whole warranty so there's no need to send anything to the Netherlands,

This is not the case I confirmed this with a ocuk rep. However it could have been a common answer to question regarding gfx cards.

Only first year is dealt by Ocuk remaining 2 by MSI, as per the email response.

 

[Cleeecooo]

This is not the case I confirmed this with a ocuk rep. However it could have been a common answer to question regarding gfx cards.

Only first year is dealt by Ocuk remaining 2 by MSI, as per the email response.

That's incorrect. The Sale of Goods act dictates the retailer (place of purchase really) MUST deal with returns for the ENTIRE duration of warranty.

MSI have no legal obligations to deal with a warranty request from the end consumer

 

[Surveyor]

Unfortunately the Asus is struggling to get beyond 1200MHz from my own testing and other reviews I've seen, which s dissapounting.

Perhaps your thread needs amending to remove the Asus from the "Approx 1400MHz max aircooled core clock" category.

 

[Gibbo]

Perhaps your thread needs amending to remove the Asus from the "Approx 1400MHz max aircooled core clock" category.

Done.

 

[Surveyor]

This is not the case I confirmed this with a ocuk rep. However it could have been a common answer to question regarding gfx cards.

Only first year is dealt by Ocuk remaining 2 by MSI, as per the email response.

From the MSI Rep:

in an attempt to clarify.

the ticket system is for tech support, reporting issues, trying to find answers. This is operated by our HQ engineers. it's kinda like a IT issue reporting system in a major company.

It gives our engineers direct access to issues and hopefully gives end users direct access to answers. I personally have no experience of how well this works but as they do not handle RMA's themselves this would be the wrong place to simply request an RMA.

We also have a support section on our official forums btw, this is manned by many of the same people.

our direct RMA service is operated by a team in the Netherlands, they do not offer tech support, they only provide and handle RMA's and typically only RMA's from resellers direct or customers whose reseller has refused to help them out. I have visited this RMA centre and to give you some idea, when I was there last December they were operating a 48 turnaround from receipt to dispatch

We offer a three year warranty, the terms provided to our major resellers provide special terms in exchange for their agreement to handle the full three years of that warranty. This is a new arrangement made at the time that we extended our warranty from two to three years. The terms of our RMA provide a maximum 14 day turnaround for resellers (typically half that) from the day they ship the fault card out to the day that they receive the replacement.

The simple answer why we operate the RMA system like this is that the reseller will test the board and return them in batches. We can then replace the product and get the replacement back to the end user much faster than having to receive, test and dispatch multiple RMA's from multiple different people. in general, this method provides much better serviceas it allows us to keep turnaround times to a minimum, it also allows the reseller more freedom to handle the RMA by their own methods.

I hope this helps

Also:

Just to clarify another point as well, if your read our support page carefully which is linked to in the OP of this thread you will see we clearly state:-

1. After the product is 28 days old you can either RMA with ourselves or the manufacturer.

To clarify this means you can either RMA back to ourselves or the manufacturer, the choice is yours.

So for instance it makes sense to RMA back to us, if the manufacturer does not have for say instance a UK RMA support facility, for example Sapphire. So with Sapphire you'd RMA the product with OcUK in the 2yr period, we will honour the warranty for the full 2yr period, or in the case of Asus 3yr etc. As we understand some manufacturers are not so easy to deal with and here at OcUK we want to ensure you get truly the best service and support.

However in some circumstances the manufacturer can offer a better service and quicker turn around time, for example KFA2, Gigabyte, Hard drive manufacturers and EVGA are famous for top level customer service and RMA support with quick turn around times. With these manufacturers we'd recommend you deal with them, simply as they can support and turn the product around quicker giving better service. Though again of course if the customer wishes we will deal with the product ourselves for them. What I would insist though is with printers, laptops and monitors after 28 days it is very advisable to deal with the manufacturer because many of them are actually on-site warranties which are the best and obviously like all other Etailors OcUK does not offer on-site warranties.

So just to clarify, after 28 days the choice is yours, you can deal with the manufacturer or OcUK, we will be happy to assist and do the best we can to offer the best service and attempt to get ourselves regarded as the best online etailor when it comes to RMA service.

Please remember though warranties, don't cover an end-user physically damaging a product due to in proper installation etc. or wear and tear, or in some cases modification. For example EVGA are fine with heatsinks being removed from VGA cards, as long as no damage is caused and they are re-fitted correctly if the card needs to be RMA'd, wheras other manufacturers removing the cooler voids warranty.

**14 DAYS SATISFACTION GUARANTEE!**

 

[Surveyor]

Once again, I think we're seeing two sides of the coin and we shall not see eye to eye on this issue until further evidence proves one of us wrong

I wasn't wrong (based on the information available at the time I posted) but ultimately you're right

 

[Cleeecooo]

but ultimately you're right

 

[opethdisciple]

Performance wise will there be a big difference between the two cards? (MSI and KFA2)

Interms of noise, how much noisier is the OC MSI over a stock GTX 670?

 

[andybird123]

The oc msi is exactly the same as a stock one just with a small factory oc

 

[Cleeecooo]

Performance wise will there be a big difference between the two cards? (MSI and KFA2)

Interms of noise, how much noisier is the OC MSI over a stock GTX 670?

Performance difference for both cards is minimal.

Noise wise, hard to say without personal experience, but te OCd version shouldn't be too much noisier than the stock card as the OC is mild.

 

[miseryguts]

Never overclocked a GPU before and dont plan to start with a new 670.

I am torn between the MSI and the KFA2. £30 price difference, but if I look closely at boost clocks the two cards are very close to each other.

Is the KFA2 worth the £30 price difference?

Iv'e the exact same rig as yours currently (with a bit more ram) and am also trying to decide on which 670 to go for, I'll probably decide upon the one with the most OC potential though.

 

[masscrazy]

From the MSI Rep:



Also:



**14 DAYS SATISFACTION GUARANTEE!**

Well maybe someone should tell ocuk support that...as i said i emailed ocuk to find out and that was the response, after first year deal with manufacturer.

Anyhoo, that thread about warranties then is pretty irrelevant considering ocuk deal with the warranties...