Which games should I look at + improving KB/mouse ability

MrRockliffe · 24 Sep 2018 at 16:21

Just bought a new GPU after selling my 1070 back in April, and looking to get back into gaming.

Looking for some recommendations based on the following:

I enjoy games such as

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, Fable etc
Fallout/Skyrim
Battlefield series
Destiny
Most driving games & flying
Shadow of mordor
Batman series

However, having been a console player since I started playing video games, I'm not really any good with a keyboard and mouse, so I don't really like playing FPS games until I can get used to playing.

Any advice on improving my aim and stuff, or any links to some good resources would be very much appreciated

Having just spent a fair bit on new furniture after moving house, I'd rather get a few cheap games than 1 expensive one at the moment, so the cheaper the better (ideally £5 and less)

I currently own (that I would play):

AC Black Flag (haven't played it yet)
Dragon Age Inquisition

While I'm sure I'd like the games, they're probably a 6-7/10 for me, and would like to get perhaps 1 or 2 more games to give myself a bit of variety

Rroff · 24 Sep 2018 at 16:32

Important thing with mouse is to get a responsive but predictable input - for most people this will mean dialing down or disabling any acceleration and getting a sensitivity that allows a 180 degree turn with a set sweep of the hand within a comfortable distance, etc.

agnes · 24 Sep 2018 at 16:49

Look up the mouse hold types. I'd strongly suggest grabbing a cheap mouse for now and learn what natural state your hand rests on the mouse. Claw, palm, etc. Then find a decent mouse from there dependent on how your natural grip hold is.

Furthermore, a decent mousemat can make all the difference. As for games to get good with aiming, it's very natural after a short time, as Rroff said, remove any acceleration and go to about 33% tracking speed in Windows mouse options to start with. See how you get on.

razorpakk · 24 Sep 2018 at 16:50

Quake Champions, currently free to play on Steam.

It made me realize I'm not as bad as I thought.

MrRockliffe · 24 Sep 2018 at 17:05

Thanks all for your input. As I'm a bit of a sucker for expensive, flashy things, I actually bought myself a G900 a while back. Nice mouse, but not as erganomic as my MX Master I use for work

I think I may do some training against bots on CS:GO

They can't laugh at me when I keep dying then!

Quite frustrating for me as on Xbox, I'd say I'm a fairly competent gamer. However on PC, my KD is less than half of what it is on BF4 compared to Xbox

chaosophy · 24 Sep 2018 at 17:24

Look at Aimtastic and Aim lab, both free on steam. There are some others on there free and paid.

There are also calculator websites for transferring settings between games. The idea being you get good/comfortable on one specific game, get your mouse sense, FOV etc dialled in and then can use these calculators to transpose those setting between different games to try and get them a similar as possible.

MrRockliffe · 24 Sep 2018 at 18:03

chaosophy said:
Look at Aimtastic and Aim lab, both free on steam. There are some others on there free and paid.

There are also calculator websites for transferring settings between games. The idea being you get good/comfortable on one specific game, get your mouse sense, FOV etc dialled in and then can use these calculators to transpose those setting between different games to try and get them a similar as possible.

Ah okay so you do have to spend a bit of time setting a game up?

I'd always just tried playing, but not getting on very well. Guess I'd assumed it'd just be like console

chaosophy · 24 Sep 2018 at 18:54

Yeah, getting your mouse sense right can take a while when starting out. It can be tempting to just copy someone else's but tbh I think your better off just playing and tweaking it to where it feels right for you.
You need to work out what your play style is, like do you keep your wrist locked and play from the elbow with big sweeping movements with a full hand grip , or more a finger tip claw grip playing from the wrist etc.

I know I tend to play with too high a mouse sense but that's more from years of working with PCs for a living and working on too many multi screen setups with limited desk space so have always had stupid high mouse sense from doing desktop work in Windows and then being too lazy to fiddle with DPI settings etc when gaming.

I'm not really explaining this well tbh and it'll probably just confuse you when staring out so honestly just get playing and start working out what's good for you. Play about with the in game sensitivity settings, don't be afraid to change them but also don't change them every time you play, tweak it a bit try it out for a while, tweak again etc.

That's why those aim trainers I mentioned can help, as they offer repeatable challenges that you can do over and over again to get a feel for what helps.

nashathedog · 24 Sep 2018 at 19:09

You can use an Xbox controller with Windows so why not grab one of those if you prefer that? For Windows it comes with a cordless dongle or use a corded one which is cheaper, To get used to keyboard and mouse gaming start with non competitive campaign fps games like the Borderlands titles, Tomb raider titles from 2013 on and even some COD campaigns etc.

I'm the exact opposite, I can't aim with a controller at all, I bought a PS4 a few months back and ended up buying one of the XIM convertors so I can use my keyboard and mouse with the console.

Devrij · 24 Sep 2018 at 21:39

nashathedog said:
To get used to keyboard and mouse gaming start with non competitive campaign fps games like the Borderlands titles,

This is great advice, borderlands 2 is a great game, funny, and will help train you to aim for the head. You can probably pick it up for next to nothing on a key site as well

Mark A · 24 Sep 2018 at 22:45

https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/metro-redux-bundle-pc-steam-cd-key

Metro redux bundle £5 for two excellent single player fps games.

It shouldn't take long at all to get used to kb + mouse. You might even find it makes it hard to go back to using a pad afterwards. I'd say try and get used to as low a sens as you can as it'll make fine tuning your aim easier, so you're not moving the crosshair past the target. Once you have a play and get comfortable with a sens you should then try and stick to it on all the games you play.

MrRockliffe · 25 Sep 2018 at 08:53

nashathedog said:
You can use an Xbox controller with Windows so why not grab one of those if you prefer that?

I do for RPG style games and racing games. My PC has Bluetooth so I use my Xbox One controller with it a fair bit.

I definitely find playing games like shadow of mordor and the batman games much easier with a controller however shooters I'd like to start playing with a kb + mouse as I think the nature of a mouse gives you a distinct advantage over using a controller, especially on PC where there's no aim assist.

Devrij said:
This is great advice, borderlands 2 is a great game, funny, and will help train you to aim for the head. You can probably pick it up for next to nothing on a key site as well

Played the Borderlands series to death on console

Mark A said:
https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/metro-redux-bundle-pc-steam-cd-key

Metro redux bundle £5 for two excellent single player fps games.

It shouldn't take long at all to get used to kb + mouse. You might even find it makes it hard to go back to using a pad afterwards. I'd say try and get used to as low a sens as you can as it'll make fine tuning your aim easier, so you're not moving the crosshair past the target. Once you have a play and get comfortable with a sens you should then try and stick to it on all the games you play.

My issue is that I don't find it a natural way of playing at all - I get quite restless. I think that may be because I'm not used to it, however, and I'm sure I was probably the same on console when I first started.

Hades · 25 Sep 2018 at 09:03

I'm going to suggest Quake Champions as well. It's the definition of keyboard and mouse control. You may also want to start with an offline game such as Doom first to get used to the same control system without getting destroyed online. Then progress to Quake.

MrRockliffe · 25 Sep 2018 at 09:04

Hades said:
I'm going to suggest Quake Champions as well. It's the definition of keyboard and mouse control. You may also want to start with an offline game such as Doom first to get used to the same control system without getting destroyed online. Then progress to Quake.

That's actually a good shout - I really fancy giving Doom a go

Edit: Another thing I struggle with is lack of any haptic feedback - I can't play on console without it

Devrij · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:18

Yeah doom is a good shout. MP isn't too bad on that either (bit quiet these days though)

~>Dg<~ · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:24

the only real way to learn is to just jump make the move and play. just except you wont be great for a while. nothing wrong with that.keep your mouse speed the same in windows. just change ingame sensivity. you shouldnt overshoot or undershoot. you can test this easily on your desktop. dirtybomb is free on steam fast paced but will getting your aiming precise.with great hitreg. you will learn quicker playing some fast paced instant action even if you get slaughtered at the start.

azazl187 · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:28

you need to start from the same place in every game you play when it comes to mouse ability. You need to turn off any acceleration for a start and then set you distance for a 360 turn on your mouse mat.

So basically what you need to do is work out what you feel is a comfortable mouse sensitivity and then you need to recreate that in every game you place where it be FPS or RPG it always needs to be the same. Once you have found this mouse sensitivity then you need to put your mouse to the edge of your mouse mat and that look at the distance it takes to do a 360 skin on the spot with your mouse along your mouse mat. Then mark this point somehow. You then need to adjust your ingame slider in all the games you play so that no matter what game you are playing it takes the same distance to move that mouse along your mouse mat to do a full 360 spin on the spot.

This will result in you practising your mouse aim in every game you play in most titles that you have mentioned in your original post apart from the obvious like RTS games. This will help you build up a muscle memory with your aiming and before long you will be flicking across to head shots before you know it weather it be Skyrim, BF4/5/1, CS:GO, Destiny 2, Doom or Vermintide

. Good luck with your fragging!

azazl187 · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:30

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MrRockliffe · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:30

azazl187 said:
you need to start from the same place in every game you play when it comes to mouse ability. You need to turn off any acceleration for a start and then set you distance for a 360 turn on your mouse mat.

So basically what you need to do is work out what you feel is a comfortable mouse sensitivity and then you need to recreate that in every game you place where it be FPS or RPG it always needs to be the same. Once you have found this mouse sensitivity then you need to put your mouse to the edge of your mouse mat and that look at the distance it takes to do a 360 skin on the spot with your mouse along your mouse mat. Then mark this point somehow. You then need to adjust your ingame slider in all the games you play so that no matter what game you are playing it takes the same distance to move that mouse along your mouse mat to do a full 360 spin on the spot.

This will result in you practising your mouse aim in every game you play in most titles that you have mentioned in your original post apart from the obvious like RTS games. This will help you build up a muscle memory with your aiming and before long you will be flicking across to head shots before you know it weather it be Skyrim, BF4/5/1, CS:GO, Destiny 2 or Vermintide . Good luck with your fragging!

Thanks for the advice - will give it a go and report back.

Installed my new GPU last week and still haven't had the chance to play a game on it :mad:

azazl187 said:
Wrong! The ingame slider is the most important point of reference here as all games by default will be set to a different mouse speed. Its about moving that slider ingame so you always end up in the same reference point in all games so your mouse sensitivity is always the same no matter what you play.

Isn't that what he's saying?

azazl187 · 25 Sep 2018 at 12:32

MrRockliffe said:
Thanks for the advice - will give it a go and report back.

Installed my new GPU last week and still haven't had the chance to play a game on it

Good stuff. I cannot stress the importance of making sure that your mouse ends up in the same place in your mouse mat in every game after a 360 spin ingame. As ive said it means you will be practising your aim in any title you play.