Which NVMe? 1Tb to buy?

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I am the process of gathering CPU-independent parts waiting to see if Zen 2 is worth it. In the meantime, I have obtained case, PSU and GPU. I am thinking for my use (general, Adobe Lightroom, and some gaming) that a 500GB boot drive (W10) and a 1TB data drive should do it. (I also have an external backup drive).

Again, I am looking for some guidance as to whether my choice of NVMe drives makes sense.....Samsung 970 EVO Plus. The rationale is speed, reliability and value, in that order.

Are there better ones for equal or lower cost; and I suppose, do I really need them?

Thanks in advance.
 
Lot more expensive per GB NVMe makes zero sense for home use data drive.
For game loading etc time difference snake oil synthetic benchmarketing numbers of NVMe drives give mostly only minimal advantage over standard SATA signaling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nvme+ssd+hdd
Instead of buying super expensive NVMes that money simply gives lot more real world value in elsewhere.


For 5 year warranty drives Crucial MX500 and WD Blue 3D are the best priced.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...ata-pcie-m.2-solid-state-drive-hd-06f-cr.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crucial-mx500-1.0tb-2.5-6gbps-7mm-solid-state-drive-hd-06g-cr.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b-hd-54n-wd.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0a-hd-54j-wd.html
For 3 year warranty this is £100
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...gbps-3d-nand-solid-state-drive-hd-006-tg.html

For that NVMe drive to get advantages from NVMe protocol there are lot more cost effective choises than Samsung.
Like Corsair MP510/Kingston A1000.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...d-state-drive-cssd-f480gbmp510-hd-064-cs.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...cie-nvme-3.0-solid-state-drive-hd-10l-ks.html
Even TB price starts to be reasonable.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...cie-nvme-3.0-solid-state-drive-hd-10m-ks.html


Intel 660P and Samsung 860 QVO use QLC Flash, which is pretty much analog storage needing to differentiate 16 charge levels to avoid errors.
So wouldn't myself trust them until they've been real world beta tested couple years.
 
Lot more expensive per GB NVMe makes zero sense for home use data drive.
For game loading etc time difference snake oil synthetic benchmarketing numbers of NVMe drives give mostly only minimal advantage over standard SATA signaling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nvme+ssd+hdd
Instead of buying super expensive NVMes that money simply gives lot more real world value in elsewhere.


For 5 year warranty drives Crucial MX500 and WD Blue 3D are the best priced.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...ata-pcie-m.2-solid-state-drive-hd-06f-cr.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crucial-mx500-1.0tb-2.5-6gbps-7mm-solid-state-drive-hd-06g-cr.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b-hd-54n-wd.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0a-hd-54j-wd.html
For 3 year warranty this is £100
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...gbps-3d-nand-solid-state-drive-hd-006-tg.html

For that NVMe drive to get advantages from NVMe protocol there are lot more cost effective choises than Samsung.
Like Corsair MP510/Kingston A1000.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...d-state-drive-cssd-f480gbmp510-hd-064-cs.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...cie-nvme-3.0-solid-state-drive-hd-10l-ks.html
Even TB price starts to be reasonable.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...cie-nvme-3.0-solid-state-drive-hd-10m-ks.html


Intel 660P and Samsung 860 QVO use QLC Flash, which is pretty much analog storage needing to differentiate 16 charge levels to avoid errors.
So wouldn't myself trust them until they've been real world beta tested couple years.


what is your opinion for the https://www.pcmag.com/review/367479/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro 1TB? is this good nvme ssd?? they say that edata 8200 pro 1tB is faster from samsung 970 1TB and 970 evo plus is it true>?


also tell me something do you believe that https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crucial-mx500-1.0tb-2.5-6gbps-7mm-solid-state-drive-hd-06g-cr.html is better from 860 evo 1Tb? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...olid-state-drive-mz-76e1t0b-eu-hd-234-sa.html in performance, speed and etc?

why a lot of people say that 860 evo 1Tb is better from crucial mx500 1tB sata 3ssd?
 
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If getting that Adata at good price, then it's certainly good.
But for gaming and average home use there's no sense to pay big price luxury for highest benchmarketing numbers.
SATA SSDs max before 550MB/s (vs. gigabytes/s) and at lot lower IOPS, but that just doesn't show much in real world use like loading times.
In fact home use in which highest benchmarketing numbers would show most is constant copying of gigabytes of data back and forth.
 
If getting that Adata at good price, then it's certainly good.
But for gaming and average home use there's no sense to pay big price luxury for highest benchmarketing numbers.
SATA SSDs max before 550MB/s (vs. gigabytes/s) and at lot lower IOPS, but that just doesn't show much in real world use like loading times.
In fact home use in which highest benchmarketing numbers would show most is constant copying of gigabytes of data back and forth.
also tell me something do you believe that https://www.overclockers.co.uk/crucial-mx500-1.0tb-2.5-6gbps-7mm-solid-state-drive-hd-06g-cr.html is better from 860 evo 1Tb? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...olid-state-drive-mz-76e1t0b-eu-hd-234-sa.html in performance, speed and etc?

why a lot of people say that 860 evo 1Tb is better from crucial mx500 1tB sata 3ssd?
 
If getting that Adata at good price, then it's certainly good.
But for gaming and average home use there's no sense to pay big price luxury for highest benchmarketing numbers.
SATA SSDs max before 550MB/s (vs. gigabytes/s) and at lot lower IOPS, but that just doesn't show much in real world use like loading times.
In fact home use in which highest benchmarketing numbers would show most is constant copying of gigabytes of data back and forth.

also i want your advice for the hardisks//

because i have very large libraries with old and new games, old and new movies and a lot of albums of music. i want to buy 2 hardisks in 6 and 8tb

i am between these hardisks but i dont know which are very good, in performance, speed, reability

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...nternal-hard-drive-st6000dm004-hd-37h-se.html 6TB BARRACUDA PRO 7200RPM 256MB


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...ternal-hard-drive-st8000dm0004-hd-37g-se.html 8TB BARRACUDA PRO 7200RPM 256MB


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-6...formance-hard-drive-wd6003fzbx-hd-551-wd.html 6TB BLACK 7200RPM 256MB CACHE


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-u...ise-hard-drive-hus728t8tale6l4-hd-55p-wd.html ULTRASTAR 8TB DATA CENTER INTERNAL

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-6...e-internal-hard-drive-wd60ezrz-hd-455-wd.html 6TB BLUE 5400RPM 64MB CACHE

https://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/simon-crisp/toshiba-x300-6tb-hdd-review/ Toshiba X300 6TB HDD

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-8...rnal-nas-hard-drive-wd8003ffbx-hd-55c-wd.html 8TB RED PRO 7200RPM 256MB CACHE


i want these 2 hardisks for destop use, for most of the part i will use these 2 hardisks for my games

i have already 2 ssds in my computer, i have 2 crucial mx500 2tb but i want to buy 2 hardisks with 6-8 Tb for to add all my games, music and movies libraries.

from all these links with all these hardisks which you would suggested me to look? and which to avoid?
 
because i have very large libraries with old and new games, old and new movies and a lot of albums of music. i want to buy 2 hardisks in 6 and 8tb

i am between these hardisks but i dont know which are very good, in performance, speed, reability
Performance differences between HDDs are really rather meaningless:
All are slow compared to SSDs and there's no point in paying super high prices for some "performance".
And if you care about noise, 7200rpm drives optimized for enterprise use can be noisy.
Esepcially for movies and music 5400rpm drive is more than enough.

For reliability we have really very little data nowadays.
15 years ago Storagereview had database of drives submitted by site users, but I don't think that's been active in long time.
At first Seagate was on top with Barracuda ATA IV and successors faring very well.
Then situation evened and Seagate even had drives with firmware bug self bricking them.
And quality can well differ between manufacturing batches.
Even some shipment could have been banged during transporation making those drives weaker.

Only way to get some guarantee that single drive failure won't force you to do manual work in reinstalling games/getting data from back ups would be RAID1.


Anyway if you play one or two games for some time and then switch to another game or two, then SSD caching with PrimoCache would be way to go.
When you first time open some game loading will happen at speed of HDD.
But next game start happens at speed of SSD and with maps using lots of common assets also loading next level etc starts to speed up to SSD level.
And playing same level again loads up from SSD cache.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/did-some-benchmarking-of-an-ssd-caching-solution.2533859/

Eventually when cache fills, the least used/longest time ago used data is evicted to make room for new data.
For example 30-50GB cache could hold multiple smaller/older games before filling.

https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/index.html
SSD caching is that Level 2 cache.
https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/instructions-create-cache.html
https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/instructions-manage-l2storage.html
 
Performance differences between HDDs are really rather meaningless:
All are slow compared to SSDs and there's no point in paying super high prices for some "performance".
And if you care about noise, 7200rpm drives optimized for enterprise use can be noisy.
Esepcially for movies and music 5400rpm drive is more than enough.

For reliability we have really very little data nowadays.
15 years ago Storagereview had database of drives submitted by site users, but I don't think that's been active in long time.
At first Seagate was on top with Barracuda ATA IV and successors faring very well.
Then situation evened and Seagate even had drives with firmware bug self bricking them.
And quality can well differ between manufacturing batches.
Even some shipment could have been banged during transporation making those drives weaker.

Only way to get some guarantee that single drive failure won't force you to do manual work in reinstalling games/getting data from back ups would be RAID1.


Anyway if you play one or two games for some time and then switch to another game or two, then SSD caching with PrimoCache would be way to go.
When you first time open some game loading will happen at speed of HDD.
But next game start happens at speed of SSD and with maps using lots of common assets also loading next level etc starts to speed up to SSD level.
And playing same level again loads up from SSD cache.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/did-some-benchmarking-of-an-ssd-caching-solution.2533859/

Eventually when cache fills, the least used/longest time ago used data is evicted to make room for new data.
For example 30-50GB cache could hold multiple smaller/older games before filling.

https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/index.html
SSD caching is that Level 2 cache.
https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/instructions-create-cache.html
https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/instructions-manage-l2storage.html

look i have 2 ssds in my computer i have 2 crucial mx500 2Tb

but as i told you i want to buy 2 hardisks 6 - 8tb for gaming because i have a lot of libraries with games..

i dont want the hardisks for movies and music .. i want for gaming
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for this i am asking from all these hardisks which you believe are for gaming destop use?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...nternal-hard-drive-st6000dm004-hd-37h-se.html 6TB BARRACUDA PRO 7200RPM 256MB


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seag...ternal-hard-drive-st8000dm0004-hd-37g-se.html 8TB BARRACUDA PRO 7200RPM 256MB


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-6...formance-hard-drive-wd6003fzbx-hd-551-wd.html 6TB BLACK 7200RPM 256MB CACHE


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-u...ise-hard-drive-hus728t8tale6l4-hd-55p-wd.html ULTRASTAR 8TB DATA CENTER INTERNAL

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-6...e-internal-hard-drive-wd60ezrz-hd-455-wd.html 6TB BLUE 5400RPM 64MB CACHE

https://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/simon-crisp/toshiba-x300-6tb-hdd-review/ Toshiba X300 6TB HDD

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-8...rnal-nas-hard-drive-wd8003ffbx-hd-55c-wd.html 8TB RED PRO 7200RPM 256MB CACHE

esat?

from all these hardisks which you would buy for gaming?
 
All of them are slow compared to SSD for games and need SSD caching if you want better performance.

So choise is down to what kind warranty length you want, possible power consumption differences (affects to if they need cooling/run hot) and what price per GB you're ready to pay.

And of course that noise aspect if that's important.
In 25 years of PC hobby I've met some really noisy desktop drives and I suspect noise still isn't important design factor for enterprise drives.
 
All of them are slow compared to SSD for games and need SSD caching if you want better performance.

So choise is down to what kind warranty length you want, possible power consumption differences (affects to if they need cooling/run hot) and what price per GB you're ready to pay.

And of course that noise aspect if that's important.
In 25 years of PC hobby I've met some really noisy desktop drives and I suspect noise still isn't important design factor for enterprise drives.


which from these 3 you believe is better in performance,etc?
8TB BARRACUDA PRO 7200RPM 256MB or 6TB BLACK 7200RPM 256MB CACHE or ULTRASTAR 8TB DATA CENTER INTERNAL?
 
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