Poll: Which one would you buy and why?

[Gibbo]

Hi there


Though the temptation for me to buy something very new and shiny is high, I've being looking at the following three...........



Cayman S (Driver focused Spec)

Cayman S
£ 47,954.00

Exterior Colour
Agate Grey Metallic
£ 558.00

Interior Colour
Black Sports seats plus or Adaptive or Bucket
£ 0.00

Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
£ 332.00
ParkAssist front and rear
£ 599.00
Bi-Xenon Headlights incl. Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
£ 477.00

Transmission / Chassis
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB)
£ 4,977.00
Sport Chrono Pack icw PCM
£ 1,376.00
Sports exhaust system (incl. sports tailpipe)
£ 1,530.00
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
£ 890.00
Sports suspension (20 mm lower)
£ 689.00
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
£ 1,922.00

Wheels
19-inch Boxster S wheel
£ 243.00

Wheel Accessoires
Wheel Caps
£ 110.00

Interior
Racing Yellow seat belts
£ 179.00
Light design package
£ 203.00
Sports Bucket Seats
£ 2,226.00
Alcantara interior
Storage compartment lid Alcantara with Porsche Crest
£ 155.00
PDK gear selector in Alcantara
£ 405.00
SportDesign steering wheel in Alcantara
£ 396.00
Rooflining in Alcantara
£ 684.00

Audio / Communications
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) incl navigation module with universal audio interface
£ 2,141.00
BOSE® Surround Sound System
£ 801.00

Third Year Warranty
£ 660.00

Third Year Porsche Assistance
£ 169.00


Total Price*
£ 69,676.00 *including VAT



One could argue removing the PCM (Satnav), PDK and Ceramics would knock nearly £10,000 of the price and this spec would then be even more driver focused and the cost pretty much bang on £60,000
But having spent several days with the latest PDK in Sport Plus mode, its damn good and ceramics are now even better and save weight, but it is a very costly option so could argue its not really worth it.
PCM/Satnav is really worth it for re-sale, plus its very handy and has a lot of cool toys, g-meter, GeForce blah blah blah.....

Problem is these cars are so customisable it means me finding a second hand one with my ideal specification would be near to impossible, I've not seen a single car spec'd or for sale anywhere with the 20mm lowered sports suspension, most go with standard or PASM setup. Then PTV, Ceramics and bucket seats are quite rare options, but for myself a must, they make the car more focused, lighter with greater ability. Chances of a car of this specification being ordered will be rare, meaning second hand Id be all out of luck to find such a car.

In short my specification above is pretty much what a Cayman R edition will be default specification, with an extra bit of horsepower and about 25-50kg lighter.















Jaguar F-Type Coupe

TOTAL £60,235.00
F-TYPE Jaguar 3.0 Litre V6 380 Supercharged Petrol Engine

EXTERIOR
TOTAL £3,400.00
Polaris White 19" Centrifuge Wheel Silver Finish £750.00
Standard Roof
Jaguar Super Performance Braking System, Black calipers £1,300.00

INTERIOR
TOTAL £5,200.00
Performance Seats in Suedecloth with Suedecloth Interior Pack £3,500.00
Suede Cloth Interior with Cirrus Contrast Stitching
Dark Hex Aluminium Finisher with "S" Graphic Suedecloth Upper Environment
Meridian 770W Surround Sound System - 12 speakers £1,700.00
Jet Seatbelts
Jet Carpet

DYNAMICS
TOTAL £1,300.00
3-spoke Suedecloth steering wheel with Ignis paddles £550.00
Switchable Active Sports Exhaust £350.00
Configurable Dynamic Mode with ''Dynamic-i'' information displays £400.00

OPTIONS
TOTAL £1,355.00*
Exterior Door Mirrors with Electric Adjustment, Auto-dimming and Power Fold - Heated and Side Turn Indicators £450.00
Rain sensing windscreen wipers
Suedecloth Sunvisor Bi-function HID Xenon headlamps with Adaptive Front lighting, LED Daytime Running Lights, Direction Indicators & Cornering Lamps
Automatic Headlamps Headlamps with intelligent high beam
Reverse Traffic Detection (RTD) with Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) and Closing Vehicle Sensing (CVS) £660.00
Front Parking Aid £245.00

ACCESSORIES
TOTAL £382.00
Design Pack Aluminium Gearshift Paddles £382.00

TOTAL: £71,872.00


The Jaguars all pretty much perform the same, there is no option for torque vectoring diffs, different suspension setups, manual/auto etc. so this kind of specification is likely to be repeated by others, meaning chances of a car coming up second hand with this specification or very close is likely and one would expect these just like the Porsche to depreciate very hard in approx. 18-24 months time. I think its fair to say the Porsche will be both the faster car and better handling more drivers focused car, but only just. Though the Jaguar in my opinion looks better and the interior is so much better and though the new Cayman is a rare sight on the road, its still a Porsche and they all look similar. The new F-Type however looks superb, not sure on my colour choice though here, white is nice but dark grey or red also look pretty stunning as well.

There are some options I could do without, maybe reducing cost to around £66,000 like the extra and the very high-end sound system, but the F-Type is not a track focused car like the Cayman, so a few added creature comforts/toys appeal to me.
















Nissan GTR

At £79,000 the most expensive here, but also the quickest without a doubt at everything, but no real customisation, very little options to be honest.

As such to me it seems absolutely pointless buying a new one, especially at £80,000, no longer the £55,000 bargain they were and really what is the extra £25,000 getting me now?

I'd rather just buy a spot on 2011 car with basic modification in excellent condition for £50,000, maybe what I did.

But I see no point in buying the GTR new, finding one second hand in the colour I want as yes the colour is the real only option will be very easy indeed, making find your ideal GTR second hand easy.
















So in short, Porsche let you make a car for you, the options and customisation is completely crazy and I can see this as a huge attraction for buying new, as the car really could be a very rare specification and rather unique. The specification I have chosen is very driver focused and keeping weight down, bucket seats, ceramics, torque vectoring, PDK+, Chrono etc and a car capable of hitting 60mph in about 4.5s and 100mph in 10s flat, but also a car that absolutely loves to be driven on and beyond it limits and is incredibly capable on both road and track, easily the best handling car here by far.

The Jaguar gives you a lot of options, but goes nowhere near to the depth that Porsche offer, but that does mean I could wait maybe 18 months if I was not impatient and a spec I want, mainly buckets, larger brakes would come up for sale quite likely. The Jaguar looks stunning both inside and out, plus a truly rare site on our roads and has a real heritage, it is the very much loved car, probably on a level with Aston Martin now.

The GTR of course is the fastest and has the most grip, it will embarrass the other two and if you want to talk statistics down the pub the GTR owns pretty much everything, but the other two are a more enjoyable drive for sure, especially the Cayman. But why buy new, there is very little to customisation, so getting your ideal specification second hand will be easy and these things depreciate like crazy, probably more so than the two above. I'd rather just buy a 2-3yr old GTR with the usual Litchfield modifications running 600 horsepower with a warranty for about 45-50k.








Which one would you buy and why?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Cayman S (Driver focused Spec)

Is there a Passenger Focused Spec?

 

[Gibbo]

Is there a Passenger Focused Spec?

No they can walk.

 

[SDK^]

Do you really need ceramic brakes on a road car!?

 

[rare]

Jag.

GTR doesn't really interest me, and the Cayman S won't sound anywhere near as good as the Jag. Plus the Jag is a great combination of sport/image/comfort. Although not in white, not cool. Dark blue, or black, then we are talking.

 

[Nemesis379]

GTR

 

[Gibbo]

Do you really need ceramic brakes on a road car!?

Last forever on road, zero dust, immense performance, decreased weight. Not really I guess it all depends but having got ceramics and then removed them, yes they make a rather positive difference to ride quality, handling, braking performance and are dust free.

On track the older ones were not so good, newer ones are supposed to be better and don't suffer heat delamination.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

You going new on those? Your nearly into V8s land on the F Type specced up which would offer torque vectoring diff, not sure where it sits with torque vectoring by braking either on the V6S? Salsa red is great on convertible but I think the coupe works better with the darker colours or white, with pano roof really completing the look and gets light into the cabin! V6S is deffo the road car choice though with the mech LSD working in a linear fashion.

Depends how long you wait if you want manual...

Hard to ignore the Cayman though! Or indeed GTR.

Nice position to be in.

 

[Randomface74]

I prefer the look of the jag (but not in white)
porsche is close second
I'd test drive both and see

 

[Gibbo]

Jag.

GTR doesn't really interest me, and the Cayman S won't sound anywhere near as good as the Jag. Plus the Jag is a great combination of sport/image/comfort. Although not in white, not cool. Dark blue, or black, then we are talking.

Are you sure, the Cayman/Boxster with Sports exhaust sounds bloody amazing and on the over run the pops and bangs sounds fantastic.

 

[Tute]

I've never liked the Cayman, although I have a huge respect for it as a drivers car I just don't fancy one.

I'd take the GT-R over the V6S, if you were talking V8S it would be a lot closer and as mentioned in the other thread, I'd have to drive both and then decide.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Are you sure, the Cayman/Boxster with Sports exhaust sounds bloody amazing and on the over run the pops and bangs sounds fantastic.

Can't be close to an F type. I don't know how we made it legal

 

[Aeleys]

Anything but the Cayman

 

[Gibbo]

You going new on those? Your nearly into V8s land on the F Type specced up which would offer torque vectoring diff, not sure where it sits with torque vectoring by braking either on the V6S? Salsa red is great on convertible but I think the coupe works better with the darker colours or white, with pano roof really completing the look and gets light into the cabin! V6S is deffo the road car choice though with the mech LSD working in a linear fashion.

Depends how long you wait if you want manual...

Hard to ignore the Cayman though! Or indeed GTR.

Nice position to be in.

I thought the V8 was an E-Diff and the V6 is a mechanical diff?
Not driven the F-Type yet, but most the things I read review wise and videos all seem to say the same, the V6 S is the best all rounder, better handling and balance as the V8 over-powers the chassis a little.

GTR I'd not buy new, seems a big waste of time, look for a great second hand deal like you did and move it on in six months so not to take a hit, plus a GTR would bore me after a while, simply not the kind of drive I want and I think you know what I mean as you've gone to one of my dream cars, the F430.

 

[Gibbo]

Can't be close to an F type. I don't know how we made it legal

Just watched that, you are right, that sounds immense!

Have to say F-Type is the one I think I'd go with to be honest, V6 S Coupe.

 

[Havana_UK]

Jag, no contest.

I mean, just LOOK at it!

 

[Rybo89]

Stop being a cheapskate and get the V8 JAGGGG.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I though the V8 was an E-Diff and the V6 is a mechanical diff?
Not driven the F-Type yet, but most the things I read review wise and videos all seem to say the same, the V6 S is the best all round, better handling and balance as the V8 over-powers the chassis a little.

E diff isn't like a VAG product, it's a multi plate clutch pack that allows torque transfer and management across the rear wheels, outside traction control the braking torque vectoring is done braking applied to the front inside wheel to dial out under steer.

V8R is indeed mental!

 

[rare]

Are you sure, the Cayman/Boxster with Sports exhaust sounds bloody amazing and on the over run the pops and bangs sounds fantastic.

That does sound good. But I think the Jag probably makes one of the best engine noises in the world at the moment, I love the crisp bark the V6 makes! A lot of what I have read suggests the V6S is the best car in the range, the V8 seems like if anything it has a little too much power.

 

[Gibbo]

E diff isn't like a VAG product, it's a multi plate clutch that allows torque transfer and management across the wheels with torque vectoring by braking applied to the front inside wheel.

Ah that is cool then, I saw E-Diff and instantly thought it was the crap electronic fakery rubbish that in my view just feels pish from a driving perspective.

the V6 S I am right though in think it has a mechanical diff yes?


Being realistic dropping 70k on a new car is not for me right now, spent a lot of money on the 911, I am going to enjoy it and the M3, then in a year or so time shall see how the F-Type coupes have depreciated, but yes I am steering towards an F-Type, they look simply amazing, were talking Ferrari/Aston looks and interior with soundtrack to match.

OK its not a Ferrari or even a Porsche in the handling dynamics, but from what I can tell it aint that far off, gonna visit Jag for a test drive soon, I've driven plenty of 981's and GTR's, the 981 Porsche is incredible so much fun and I'd love one, but I've had Caymans/Boxsters now with all the loan cars for like two weeks so I've had a good amount of time to thrash one and yes loved it, not of course taken one on track. GTR I've had several hours seat time and the main thrill is the sheer performance, which says it all when the acceleration I am finding more impressive than its handling/feedback etc. and for me it is that challenge, the handling and feedback that attracts me.