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which one?

Extreme Memory profile is a feature that allows you to quickly setup the rated timings of your RAM within the BIOS. Since when you install new RAM in a motherboard it always sets it to some default safe settings which are slower than the rated settings. You need to go into the BIOS and adjust the memory multiplier and timings so they match what they are rated for. XMP will save you about 2 mins on the initial setup and is nice to have if you aren't too comfortable changing stuff in the BIOS (though you still need to go into the BIOS to turn on XMP).

The vengeance memory is nice and XMP is useful, but it has some really annoyingly large heatsinks which will reduce your options for CPU coolers if you decide to overclock, therefore I wouldn't recommend going for it.

well im not to confident with bios settings and suchlike but im sure all the advice i need is right here on the forum, and its good to learn these things, so i'll probably go for the ram you suggested.

so finally onto the graphics card how does the card you suggested bare up against similar priced nvidia cards? is it all about amd cards these days when comparing to the same sort of price of nvidia cards

Sorry to turn this thread into a build thread by the way :D
 
well im not to confident with bios settings and suchlike but im sure all the advice i need is right here on the forum, and its good to learn these things, so i'll probably go for the ram you suggested.

so finally onto the graphics card how does the card you suggested bare up against similar priced nvidia cards? is it all about amd cards these days when comparing to the same sort of price of nvidia cards

Sorry to turn this thread into a build thread by the way :D

Haha, but we love build threads :)

Yea, we'd be happy to walk you through the steps in the BIOS to set your memory. In fact, here they are:

- When the computer first loads up and you see the "Gigabyte" logo, press the <Del> key.

- After doing this you should eventually arrive in the main BIOS menu, select the "MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)" option.

- Go to the "Advanced Memory Settings" page

- On this page locate the "System memory multiplier" option, at default it will be set to "[Auto]".

- Change this setting until the value of the greyed-out "Memory Frequency (Mhz)" just below the "System memory multiplier" changes to say "1600MHz".

- Now on the same page, look for the "Channel A Timing Settings", press <Enter>.

- On this new page change the first four values, the ones under the "Channel A Standard Timing Control" subheading (CAS Latency Time, tRCD, tRP, tRAS) to:

10
10
10
28

- Go back to the previous page and repeat the previous step for the "Channel B Timing Settings"

- On the same "Advanced Memory Settings" page, check that the "Profile DDR Voltage" is set to "1.5V" - which it should be at default (if it isn't you will need to go up one page and then into the "Advanced Voltage Settings" and finds the "DRAM Voltage" setting and change it to "1.5V").

- Press F10 and save the new settings

- Exit the BIOS




As for an Nvidia alternative to the HD 6850, that would be the GTX 460 1GB. It is a really nice card and in some games it is faster than the HD 6850, though it is slightly more expensive at the moment (as there are currently some really great deals on 6850 card). Here are the GTX 460 1GB cards available on OCUK.

Here is a direct performance comparison of the HD 6850 and GTX 460 1GB in a range of games with the cards at stock clockspeeds.
 
Y yo buy Revision 1 board ?

Don't skimp ... £50 extra is a small price to pay in the grand schema of things


If he can afford it, then going for a Gen3 board would be ideal, but the total budget is only £400, so it's a pretty big increase. Also he doesn't really want SLI/CF and the benefits to be derived from a Gen3 board won't be felt for quite some time (I mean, a PCIE gen 2 x16 slot isn't going to bottlenecking singe-GPU performance for quite a while yet).


The way I see it- the v1 board should be good enough and allows the limited money to be spent in areas where it will be most felt (eg. graphics card and CPU).
 
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Y yo buy Revision 1 board ?

Don't skimp ... £50 extra is a small price to pay in the grand schema of things

can you elaborate on that, whats the difference? i just want to see if the differences are anything i would be interested in. however £50 extra is pushing the budget i was trying to stick to a little too far i think. :D
 
Rev1 Z68AP-D3 does do PCI-E3.0.

I know it doesn't say it on the box (marketing) but its hardwired by 16X lanes from the CPU socket to the top slot.
 
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can you elaborate on that, whats the difference? i just want to see if the differences are anything i would be interested in. however £50 extra is pushing the budget i was trying to stick to a little too far i think. :D

Well for me, better components, caps, heat sinks and power phases will make it a worthwhile investment, better layout of PCI-e slots, more thought in terms of pci-e bus splitting, additional chipsets. All add to a platform that you could happily upgrade more than one time ;)

Choose wisely and your board could last you a very long time.


Rev1 Z68AP-D3 does do PCI-E3.0.

I know it doesn't say it on the box (marketing) but its hardwired by 16X lanes from the CPU socket to the top slot.

Point was really that if there is a newer revision - source that instead as it would have given GB time to iron out initial problems ;)

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4015#ov
 
Well for me, better components, caps, heat sinks and power phases will make it a worthwhile investment, better layout of PCI-e slots, more thought in terms of pci-e bus splitting, additional chipsets. All add to a platform that you could happily upgrade more than one time ;)

Choose wisely and your board could last you a very long time.

Ah:)

I thought you were referring to Gen3 and all that jazz.

Indeed a "Ultra durable 3" Gigabyte board does indeed have better components and PCB structure.

This for example - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-378-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1990


Point was really that if there is a newer revision - source that instead as it would have given GB time to iron out initial problems ;)

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4015#ov

The difference between the two is a bit more subtle than that;)

Rev2.0
Chipset:
2 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (SATA3 0, 1) supporting up to 2 SATA 6Gb/s devices
3 x SATA 3Gb/s connectors (SATA2 2~4) supporting up to 3 SATA 3Gb/s devices
1 x mSATA connector
Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10
* When a RAID set is built across the SATA 6Gb/s and SATA 3Gb/s channels, the system performance of the RAID set may vary depending on the devices being connected


Rev1.0
Chipset:
2 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (SATA3_0, SATA3_1) supporting up to 2 SATA 6Gb/s devices
4 x SATA 3Gb/s connectors (SATA2_2~SATA2_5) supporting up to 4 SATA 3Gb/s devices
* The SATA2_5 connector will become unavailable when the mSATA connector is installed with a solid state drive.
Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10
* When a RAID set is built across the SATA 6Gb/s and SATA 3Gb/s channels, the system performance of the RAID set may vary depending on the devices being connected.
 
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Haha, but we love build threads :)

Yea, we'd be happy to walk you through the steps in the BIOS to set your memory. In fact, here they are:

- When the computer first loads up and you see the "Gigabyte" logo, press the <Del> key.

- After doing this you should eventually arrive in the main BIOS menu, select the "MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)" option.

- Go to the "Advanced Memory Settings" page

- On this page locate the "System memory multiplier" option, at default it will be set to "[Auto]".

- Change this setting until the value of the greyed-out "Memory Frequency (Mhz)" just below the "System memory multiplier" changes to say "1600MHz".

- Now on the same page, look for the "Channel A Timing Settings", press <Enter>.

- On this new page change the first four values, the ones under the "Channel A Standard Timing Control" subheading (CAS Latency Time, tRCD, tRP, tRAS) to:



- Go back to the previous page and repeat the previous step for the "Channel B Timing Settings"

- On the same "Advanced Memory Settings" page, check that the "Profile DDR Voltage" is set to "1.5V" - which it should be at default (if it isn't you will need to go up one page and then into the "Advanced Voltage Settings" and finds the "DRAM Voltage" setting and change it to "1.5V").

- Press F10 and save the new settings

- Exit the BIOS




As for an Nvidia alternative to the HD 6850, that would be the GTX 460 1GB. It is a really nice card and in some games it is faster than the HD 6850, though it is slightly more expensive at the moment (as there are currently some really great deals on 6850 card). Here are the GTX 460 1GB cards available on OCUK.

Here is a direct performance comparison of the HD 6850 and GTX 460 1GB in a range of games with the cards at stock clockspeeds.

ive book marked the guide for when my bits turn up :D cheers for that

now were down to the final furlong before i click the buy button :D

after looking at the prices of the 2 cards in the nvidia section ive whittled it down to a 4 cards of 2 prices, (again pushing the budget a bit, just dont tell the other half) :p

so we have
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-204-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=
vs
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-140-OK&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1830

and

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-115-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=
vs
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-160-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1830

and the original one you linked
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-269-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1866

and ultimately what im after is which would you buy in terms of value for money, this will make up my mind.:D
 
Personally, I would still go for the £100 ASUS 6850.

I say this because it has an excellent cooler which runs quietly (this review compares it to other overclocked cards and the stock AMD one), a nice 3 year warranty from ASUS, a small factory overclock and a really nice price.

If you want to spend much more than £100 then I would recommend having a hunt around for good deals on HD 6870 cards.
 
well thats it settled then.
thanks to everyone who helped out this indecisive chap :D
im sure i will be back again to pester you guys about other stuff in the near future, especially when it comes to setting it all up and maybe a play with some overclocking haha.

its nice to get some real good advice without being called a noob or being flamed

right then, im off to buy the bits. :D :D
 
its nice to get some real good advice without being called a noob or being flamed

That's not the name of the game here, the game here is to try to trip up Stulid... No one has succeeded - guy is a machine :p

BTW You're welcome and please come back and reward us by posting your build log. Guys here are a great help :)
 
hey guys, just thought id give you an update.

got all my bits :D shoved them all in the case, it started first time no probs. ive set up the ram as cmndr_andi said and it all seems to be working sweet :D cant thank you guys enough. i just need to put some real games to the test now other than tf2 which im kind of addicted to, but it looks a lot better with everything on max :D, i might have a bash at bf3.

the only thing left to buy is a monitor got my eye on http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-062-AC&groupid=17&catid=949&subcat= it looks cheap and cheerful :D
 
Abit?

It's around..£40 cheaper.

The 8150 is good for a budget gaming build (cheaper than i5-2300 which it easily outclasses at stock and OC'd)


A true budget build would use the 8150; everyone assumes any FX processor is useless at any level; which just ISNT true...

aye true, for any realistic gaming there isn't a difference between them unless you play at stupid low resolution in which case you shouldn't be wasting your time with either of them. I own 8120 which has been perfectly capable of doing everything I have asked of it, but 99% of the forum will say 2500K, which is a fantastic processor so not really any need to debate it! get the 2500K! ;)
 
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