Which Ryzen 3 CPU?

[Munchies]

I'm looking at upgrading my ageing rig, and quite fancy delving into Ryzen 3.

Currently thinking the 3700x is the cpu to go for, as I mainly use my system for gaming. Am I missing something, and is the 3800x worth the extra pennies?

Looking to mate it to an ASROCK Taichi X570 board with 2 kits of 8 pack 3600mhz 4x8GB kits.

Being somewhat out of the loop particularly with AMD products, is there anything I should consider regarding RAM / perhaps a different mobo.

I'll continue to flick through the pages in the Ryzen threads in the meantime.

 

[Destination]

you would be better looking for 2*8 or 2*16gb sticks, ryzen works better with 2 stick than 4

 

[Gibbo]

3700X is the best buy at £299:


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[ExRayTed]

I'm looking at upgrading my ageing rig, and quite fancy delving into Ryzen 3.

Currently thinking the 3700x is the cpu to go for, as I mainly use my system for gaming. Am I missing something, and is the 3800x worth the extra pennies?

Looking to mate it to an ASROCK Taichi X570 board with 2 kits of 8 pack 3200mhz 4x8GB kits.

Being somewhat out of the loop particularly with AMD products, is there anything I should consider regarding RAM / perhaps a different mobo.

I'll continue to flick through the pages in the Ryzen threads in the meantime.

3800x not worth it at all for games, pretty much zero difference.

 

[Woodsta888]

I'm looking at upgrading my ageing rig, and quite fancy delving into Ryzen 3.

Currently thinking the 3700x is the cpu to go for, as I mainly use my system for gaming. Am I missing something, and is the 3800x worth the extra pennies?

Looking to mate it to an ASROCK Taichi X570 board with 2 kits of 8 pack 3200mhz 4x8GB kits.

Being somewhat out of the loop particularly with AMD products, is there anything I should consider regarding RAM / perhaps a different mobo.

I'll continue to flick through the pages in the Ryzen threads in the meantime.

I have the 3800X and in gaming I doubt it will be any different to the 3700X. You probably 'could' measure a very slight difference as the boost is slightly higher. What you save on that I'd plump for the 3600Mhz RAM. Whilst many 3200 kits can clock to 3600Mhz you've gone for quad channel? Slightly harder to clock I think rather than dual channel. So I'd put what you'd save with the 3700X towards higher native speed RAM. Unless of course you are already an accomplished RAM OC'er (I'm not by the way, still n00b). Those ASROck Taichi boards are widely recommended. The 3700X @ £299 is £20 cheaper than RRP. They were £319 on release.

 

[Munchies]

you would be better looking for 2*8 or 2*16gb sticks, ryzen works better with 2 stick than 4

After reading that I did a little searching and it does seem to be the case, having used intel platforms for the last 10 years i've had no problems with 4 sticks. That sucks because I kind of need 32GB of RAM and i'm finding it hard to find half decent 2x16GB kits.

3800x not worth it at all for games, pretty much zero difference.

Thanks for the confirmation.

I have the 3800X and in gaming I doubt it will be any different to the 3700X. You probably 'could' measure a very slight difference as the boost is slightly higher. What you save on that I'd plump for the 3600Mhz RAM. Whilst many 3200 kits can clock to 3600Mhz you've gone for quad channel? Slightly harder to clock I think rather than dual channel. So I'd put what you'd save with the 3700X towards higher native speed RAM. Unless of course you are already an accomplished RAM OC'er (I'm not by the way, still n00b). Those ASROck Taichi boards are widely recommended. The 3700X @ £299 is £20 cheaper than RRP. They were £319 on release.

Appreciate the advice, any recommendations on RAM, preferably 2x16GB kits, but if the worst comes to the worst i'll have to make do with 16GB until I can find some good dual channel 32GB.

With some mods, and with certain other occasional workloads, I currently fill my 16GB while it's not the end of the world it is an annoyance that i'd like to avoid with the upgrade. May have to pop into the Memory sub forums.

@Gibbo I was planning to purchase for delivery Fri, prices aren't likely to increase by then, are they?

 

[Orange Nexus]

For RAM (32GB).

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...al-channel-kit-hx432c18fbk2-32-my-28z-ks.html

 

[MartinPrince]

I'd get some 32Gb (2x16) of Crucial Ballistix Sport LT BLS2K16G4D32AESB 3200 MHz C16. Unfortunately OcUK don't stock it but readily available. It runs at 3600Mhz C16 easily which is really the minimum you should be aiming for. There's a thread on it here in the memory forum. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ballistix-sport-lt-overclocking.18861166/

 

[Twinz]

I have a 3800x with 32g of ram. I have tested and 4 sticks @ 3600 produce better FPS than 2 sticks @3733 in timespy and shadow of the tombraider.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/4-sticks-of-ram-perform-better-than-2.18863177/

 

[Orange Nexus]

I have a 3800x with 32g of ram. I have tested and 4 sticks @ 3600 produce better FPS than 2 sticks @3733 in timespy and shadow of the tombraider.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/4-sticks-of-ram-perform-better-than-2.18863177/

Based on that link, the Asrock uses T-Topology. It works well when all slots are populated, so op might be better off with a 32GB (4X8) kit.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

3700x over the 3800x as the extra price isnt worth it.

2 sticks of 8gb ram, preferably with 3000mhz or higher clock speed

 

[Twinz]

Based on that link, the Asrock uses T-Topology. It works well when all slots are populated, so op might be better off with a 32GB (4X8) kit.

Interleaving works regardless of topology. One topology might allow for higher frequencies (MT/sec) on 4 sticks than another, and the whole "2 sticks are better" standard is also with respect to higher speeds, but interleaving two ranks per channel produces it's own performance boost.

In my testing, with the 3800x interleaving RAM at 3600 produced higher FPS than two sticks at 3733.
I'm sure there is a point where speed overcomes interleaving, but my sticks were unable to run fast enough in two-stick configuration to overcome the performance of interleaving 4 sticks at a slower speed.

Here's some testing don by Tom's:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310-2.html

 

[LoadsaMoney]

As said above, 3700X, the 38s not worth the extra over it for gaming, as hardly any difference, if at all, why i went for the 37 over it

 

[Munchies]

I'd get some 32Gb (2x16) of Crucial Ballistix Sport LT BLS2K16G4D32AESB 3200 MHz C16. Unfortunately OcUK don't stock it but readily available. It runs at 3600Mhz C16 easily which is really the minimum you should be aiming for. There's a thread on it here in the memory forum. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ballistix-sport-lt-overclocking.18861166/

Interesting have been a bit of a Crucial memory fanboy through the years, but those sticks weren't coming up in my searches. Thanks

Based on that link, the Asrock uses T-Topology. It works well when all slots are populated, so op might be better off with a 32GB (4X8) kit.

I believe the Taichi does use T-Topology which is why I thought 4 sticks should be okay but the information I'm finding through my limited searching time is conflicting.

Interleaving works regardless of topology. One topology might allow for higher frequencies (MT/sec) on 4 sticks than another, and the whole "2 sticks are better" standard is also with respect to higher speeds, but interleaving two ranks per channel produces it's own performance boost.

In my testing, with the 3800x interleaving RAM at 3600 produced higher FPS than two sticks at 3733.
I'm sure there is a point where speed overcomes interleaving, but my sticks were unable to run fast enough in two-stick configuration to overcome the performance of interleaving 4 sticks at a slower speed.

Here's some testing don by Tom's:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310-2.html

Interesting, thanks. Did you purchase 2 x Dual channel kits of the Corsair Dominator RAM?


I'm tempted to bite the bullet, buy 4 sticks, and play with the clocks / timings, and compare to 2 myself.

 

[Aretak]

I'd second the recommendation of buying 2x16GB sticks of Crucial Ballistix Sport LT. They're Micron E-die ICs and dual-rank, so provide all the benefits of interleaving without needing to use four sticks. They also have the benefit of being dirt cheap (~£150 for a 32GB kit) as they're rated for 3200MHz/CL16 out of the box, but overclock like champs. I'm running 3466MHz/CL14 with all the other timings tweaked based on the Fast preset from the DRAM Calculator, and that's on a first-gen 1800X with its poor IMC. It's even stable enough to benchmark at 3600MHz/CL14, though Memtest reveals errors fairly quickly.

 

[Twinz]

I'd second the recommendation of buying 2x16GB sticks of Crucial Ballistix Sport LT. They're Micron E-die ICs and dual-rank, so provide all the benefits of interleaving without needing to use four sticks. They also have the benefit of being dirt cheap (~£150 for a 32GB kit) as they're rated for 3200MHz/CL16 out of the box, but overclock like champs. I'm running 3466MHz/CL14 with all the other timings tweaked based on the Fast preset from the DRAM Calculator, and that's on a first-gen 1800X with its poor IMC. It's even stable enough to benchmark at 3600MHz/CL14, though Memtest reveals errors fairly quickly.

This is the route I probably should have taken. Higher speed and interleaving, but I'm really happy with my 3600+tight timings+interleaving.

Interesting have been a bit of a Crucial memory fanboy through the years, but those sticks weren't coming up in my searches. Thanks



I believe the Taichi does use T-Topology which is why I thought 4 sticks should be okay but the information I'm finding through my limited searching time is conflicting.



Interesting, thanks. Did you purchase 2 x Dual channel kits of the Corsair Dominator RAM?


I'm tempted to bite the bullet, buy 4 sticks, and play with the clocks / timings, and compare to 2 myself.

I went with two Gskill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ kits. Their XMP is 3600@15-15-15-35 I have two kits (4 sticks) running 3600@14-14-14-34 with tightened sub timings and 1.42v. Just two sticks will run 3733@17-17-17-37.

When I compared the 3733 2-sticks to the 3600 4-sticks It was just XMP for both, where I just manually entered the XMP primaries from a Gskill F4-3733C17D-16GTZSW kit (17-17-17-37) for the 3733 test.

The current subtiming tweaks for my 4-stick 3600 setup came after the XMP vs XMP comparison

 

[TNA]

As said above, 3700X, the 38s not worth the extra over it for gaming, as hardly any difference, if at all, why i went for the 37 over it

Hey loadsa. What exact ram do you have mate and do you just run it on xmp or are you doing anything different?

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Hey loadsa. What exact ram do you have mate and do you just run it on xmp or are you doing anything different?

Its the Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO, 3200MHz, i think it'll be just on XMP, as got pre-built.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...00c16-3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-4bh-cs.html

 

[easyrider]

3900x

 

[apostolis_kt]

3700x for your needs i think is plenty and it's price is amazing.

3900x for extra things to do i read its an awesome chip