Which Sony Mirrorless
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Sony a7R II is the obvious answer
Your budget and requirements are needed, it such a open ended question.
The above will cost you around £4k once you factor in a couple of decent lens's and gubbins.
Your budget and requirements are needed, it such a open ended question.
The above will cost you around £4k once you factor in a couple of decent lens's and gubbins.
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For me personally I'd only consider the top of the range sony models for the better resolution. The older a7mk2 it's not a bad camera, it is a good camera, however it doesn't offer anything particularly special to me.
You'd still need to spend a significant amount on lens's.
If you are looking at the a7mk2 because of it's cheaper price over the a7rii, I'd really consider a canon or nikon and get some good lenses. For the same money you'd end up with much more capable system and ultimately better images.
It's all very subjective depending on your needs. What do you want to use it for ?
You'd still need to spend a significant amount on lens's.
If you are looking at the a7mk2 because of it's cheaper price over the a7rii, I'd really consider a canon or nikon and get some good lenses. For the same money you'd end up with much more capable system and ultimately better images.
It's all very subjective depending on your needs. What do you want to use it for ?
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The A7M2 A7 II would be a side grade to the 810 at best and a downgrade in other areas. The only significant area would be the IS available. Mirrorless may be the future, however the future is not yet here. They do not yet exceed what slrs can do.
I guess you fancy a new toy. Tech hasn't advanced enough to replace your existing gear yet.
I guess you fancy a new toy. Tech hasn't advanced enough to replace your existing gear yet.
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Other than the in-body stabilisation you mean? It does work extremely well to be fair.
Biggest factor is as Blackbadger suggests though - expect to be paying a considerable amount for good glass for the Sony system if thats what you go with. You can adapt plenty of legacy glass of course, depends if you're happy to do that.
One thing to keep in mind is that there is that much weight or size savings with a FF mirorrless, your D750 is about the same as the A7Rmkii. Have a look at the lenses, the Sony 70-200mm f/4 is bigger and heavier than the canon version and the same as the Nikon. Sure you can use slow prime lenses to get a very compact system but then you can do the same with the Nikon D750, the 50mm f/1.8D, 24mm f/2.8D, 85mm f/1.8D are all really small and light.
Personally I would simply wait for the Nikon version since you are heavily invested in Nikon gear. If you do want a small light but capable camera with interchangeable lenses then look at the micro four-thirds system, if you want a tiny FF camera and don't mind a fixed lens look at the Sony RX1 models.
If you want a small but capable ILC then buy a Nikon D3300, really very small and capable with all the advantages of an optical viewfinder, costs nothing. Then some of the DX lens like 35mm f/18 and 16-85mm f/5.6 are really compact and capable.
Personally I would simply wait for the Nikon version since you are heavily invested in Nikon gear. If you do want a small light but capable camera with interchangeable lenses then look at the micro four-thirds system, if you want a tiny FF camera and don't mind a fixed lens look at the Sony RX1 models.
If you want a small but capable ILC then buy a Nikon D3300, really very small and capable with all the advantages of an optical viewfinder, costs nothing. Then some of the DX lens like 35mm f/18 and 16-85mm f/5.6 are really compact and capable.
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I have had a few Sony Mirrorless cameras (Nex 5N. A6000 and A7ii). I now use manual legacy glass exclusively and I couldn't be happier.
Currently use A6000 for wildlife as it has extra reach with crop factor, and A7ii for wide angle / walkabout camera.
Currently use A6000 for wildlife as it has extra reach with crop factor, and A7ii for wide angle / walkabout camera.
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A7Rii
That would be the camera I would choose. It made me nearly sell all my Nikon gear. Waiting to see what the mkiii brings as that might tip me over the edge.
That would be the camera I would choose. It made me nearly sell all my Nikon gear. Waiting to see what the mkiii brings as that might tip me over the edge.
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The only thing I'm not satisfied with the A7R-II is the lack of full pixel readout when shooting 4k video in fullframe mode.
The A7S-II can do it but again it lacks phase detection autofocus.
The problem with Sony cameras is the speed of depreciation. They refresh their camera body too fast. Keeping up-to-date with Sony leads to bankrupt
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For wedding to be honest I wouldn't switch Nikon bodies into Sony mirrorless. You might want a typical DSLR to avoid swapping batteries throughout a one day session.
If you shoot architecture and landscape then yes the A7R-II can offer an opportunity for the Canon 17mm TS-E lens which Nikon doesn't have.
Ditto... I am now actually starting to get a little worried as I see no far future in the Nikon F-mount system as it seems from all I've read that it's unsuited to being converted to mirrorless systems. Canon seems to be doing better in that regard.
However I'm sure it will be good for a while yet as I know Sony lacks many things that Canon enjoy in terms of ecosystem and 3rd party additions.
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What utter rubbish. The F-mount is perfectly capable of being used on a mirror-less system and Nikon is infamous for engineer backwards compatibility allowing the Nikon loyal to maintain their lenses throughout technological changes such as the move to AF, the switch to digital APS-C etc.
There is a very high chance the Nikon FF mirror-less camera will use the F-mount, and all rumorus point to that being the case.
It is canon I would be more worried about because they have a history of changing mounts and devaling peoples lenses overnight. Sony as well, all those alpha mount lenses that Sony finally managed to produced are now no longer compatible with the cameras Sony focuses.
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Let's put a bit of perspectives here.
Canon changed the mount back in 1987, I bet most people here wasn't even born or in diapers at that point. It's not like they do that regularly !
And lets not forget that a lot of Nikon lenses will not work on the Sony body through the adaptor (when eventually it gets released) due to the motor problem. So yes, all Nikon lenses will work and yes you can buy them (but most will be manual focus only) and be honest, who goes out and buy manual focus lenses on purpose these days even if they can be bought cheaply enough. The only manual focus lenses people seem to buy are the really expensive ones like Zeiss or the TSE lenses.
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It is something of a consistent opinion that I have read on multiple forums, so "utter rubbish" I think it is not. Nikon new FF mirrorless camera is F-mount of course, but it also looks like an under-featured job from what little I have read that is available so far, no EVF and highly doubtful any serious competition for a DSLR, never mind the Sony. http://nikonrumors.com/2015/04/20/new-nikon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-on-the-horizon.aspx/
Thanks Raymond, sometimes I think I'm alone in reacting to D.P's pseudo-authoritative blanket assumptions/statements. It is also clear than Nikons lenses, as you say, do not adapt to the Sony half as well as the Canon range (though both are not perfect solutions even in best scenarios).
Sony have really pushed the boundaries with their Sony AR7 II and it is only a generation or two, and some increased battery life, away from being a real high-end DSLR killer for many people. If Nikon can't bring something out to compete with that then I will really consider migrating.
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Canon also used a new mount for their APS-C DSLRs, so EF-S lenses cannot mount on EF cameras, unique Nikon where DX and FX lenses share the exact same mount and are entirely interchangeable. Canon then made yet another mount for their APS-S mirroreless cameras so the EF-S lenses don't mount natively despite being designed to cover the same image circle.
And then if we look further back the FD mount was introduced only in 1971 and was deprecated 16 years later. Before that Canon used an FL mount from 1964, so only a 7 year life. Before that there was a Canon R mount from 1959, with a 5 year life.
Conversely, Nikon introduced the F-mount in 1959 and has kept cameras compatible ever since, without a need to change the mount or devalue peoples lenses with any change in technology.
I'm not saying Canon or Nikon will or wont change mounts, but Canon have a history of changing mounts while Nikon have a history of maintaining backwards compatibility. When nikon (and Cnaon) release their full frame mirrorless solution next year the most compelling ration to buy a Nikon (or canon) will be to maintain use of ones lenses. The next most compelling reason would be a top-to-bottom line up of new Canon/Nikon lenses designed for the new mirror less system. That takes time and is very expensive, Nikon having less resources than Canon will certainly pay more attention to keeping a native F-mount and avoid having to re-design and manufacture a hundred different lenses.
And who said anything about nikon lenses working on a Sony body? We are talking about Nikon lenses working on a Nikon FF mirror-less cameras, likely out next year. Nikon isn't responsible for what Sony do with their cameras.
That is only one possible camera out of an entire line up if FF mirrorless cameras. You seriously basing your opinions on a vague rumour of one possible model that hasn't been announced?
And how come you have compeltely changed your mind on the future of the Nikon F-mount:
So what do you actually believe, you are completely contradicting yourself.
If you have read consistent opinions of your former preposition then I would love to links to any sources. However, it is patently an absurd notion. Can you provide 1 single reason why the Nikon F-mount is "unsuited to being converted to mirrorless systems"? It is just as suited as any other mount, just as much as the Canon EF mount.
Raymond has made a completely irrelevant statement to what you originality stated, he isn't supporting you here, you are entirely alone. Raymond has merely pointed out that tyhe Cnaon EF mount hasn't changed since 1987, that says absolutely nothing about how the F-mount is "unsuited to being converted to mirrorless systems"
More rubbish I'm afraid. nikon have absolutely no responsibility to make sure their lenses work on a Sony camera, so there is simply no data there to base an option on. Luckily we do have objective evidence in the Form of the Nikon 1 system, which has an adapter for Nikon F-mount that works far better than any of the other mount adapters out there and is one of the big selling points of the Nikon 1.
At last soemthign I can agree with. the important thing to note is Sony still isn't there yet, the technology still isn't mainstream for replacing a DSLR. no Mirrorless camera has focusing as fast as a top end DSLr, no EVF is as good an OPV yet, and actually the Sony EVF is still a long way from being the best
http://photorumors.com/2015/12/09/e...eica-sl-typ-601-mirrorless-camera/#more-77714
There is a good chance that Nikon and Canon will be using technology like this in their upcoming mirrorless offerings. That could put them well ahead of Sony.
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Back in the real world, who goes out of their way and use 50year old manual lenses on their new cameras.
Just because you can, doesn't mean people do, even if it's a choice.
The entire topic is academic.
Every single one of my canon mount lens will work on the Sony A7Rii via an adaptor and retaining the AF. All I need is they body and an adaptor.
Not starting a brand war but you can't say that about Nikon lenses, sure it's one mount but they are not all made the same.
Just because you can, doesn't mean people do, even if it's a choice.
The entire topic is academic.
Every single one of my canon mount lens will work on the Sony A7Rii via an adaptor and retaining the AF. All I need is they body and an adaptor.
Not starting a brand war but you can't say that about Nikon lenses, sure it's one mount but they are not all made the same.
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