Who else is getting fed up of fat people trying to get the world to revolve around them?

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asim18 said:
It's actually very serious.

The more we cater for obesity and allow it to flourish by making life better and easier for fat people, the more we are ruining humanity as a species.
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One thing you might not have considered is that there are a lot of people who don't actually have a choice - kids from backgrounds where their parents don't give a damn about their health and lifestyle, and don't make them exercise, don't teach them proper nutrition, and cram them full of junk food.

It's a long term thing I'll grant you, but if we help educate people on what they eat, there's a chance they'll change. If we don't..then they won't.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
No, absolutely not. People need to understand the implications of what they eat.
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Referring to "4.2g of sugar" as "1 teaspoon of sugar" is NOT doing anything to aid understanding of anything whatsoever. How on earth is referring to sugar in teaspoons going to help people understand what sugar is and how/when it is important to consume it throughout the day and when not to consume it?

In fact it's doing the opposite. It's hindering practice to understand an absolute unit of mass known as the "gram".

Fatty: "Oh I don't know what a gram is"
Society: "It's OK you don't need to know what a gram is".


The very fact that you are an example of someone who thinks referring to 4.2g of sugar as 1 teaspoon is somehow related to "understand[ing] the implications of what they eat." is extremely worrying. Probably one of the worst false senses of understanding I've ever come across.
 
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I don't disagree with the idea of having it as additional information most people are much better able to visualise a teaspoon of sugar than they are a gram of sugar. I'd quite like a label that actually has a visual representation of the amount of sugar it makes it really clear a bit like the cancer pictures on fag packets.
 
It's simply easier for most people to visualise a teaspoon than it is to visualise 4.2g.

You tell someone there's 30g of sugar in their can of coke they'll say oh ok then.
You tell them there's almost 10 teaspoons of sugar in it they'll think **** that's a lot!

(numbers are made up before someone tries to school me on the amount of sugar in coke)

You say to someone that building is 500m long they just think oh that's pretty long, tell them it's 10 Olympic swimming pools or however many football pitches and suddenly they can actually get an idea of it's size.
 
asim18 said:
Referring to "4.2g of sugar" as "1 teaspoon of sugar" is NOT doing anything to aid understanding of anything whatsoever. How on earth is referring to sugar in teaspoons going to help people understand what sugar is and how/when it is important to consume it throughout the day and when not to consume it?

In fact it's doing the opposite. It's hindering practice to understand an absolute unit of mass known as the "gram".

Fatty: "Oh I don't know what a gram is"
Society: "It's OK you don't need to know what a gram is".
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Because a lot of people only see sugar when put into drinks. It's an obvious and very visual way of seeing the volumetric implications. Whilst you may not find it particularly easy to understand, many people do and that's who this is aimed at.

It's not hindering anything, people can always look at the nutrition label and find the amount of sugar, in grams, per 100g/100ml.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Because a lot of people only see sugar when put into drinks. It's an obvious and very visual way of seeing the volumetric implications. Whilst you may not find it particularly easy to understand, many people do and that's who this is aimed at.

It's not hindering anything, people can always look at the nutrition label and find the amount of sugar, in grams, per 100g/100ml.
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I think that's a flawed assumption.

A fat person knows exactly how much sugar is in their fizzy drink - that's why they like them ;). I'm sure they've been told by their obesity clinic or whatnot.

You seem to have this idea that a fat person who's been drinking a family-size bottle of coke every day for the past 10 years is suddenly going to have a eureka moment the moment they see it contains 20 or however many teaspoons of sugar? :p
 
asim18 said:
I think that's an assumption. A wrong one.

A fat person knows exactly how much sugar is in their fizzy drink. I'm sure they've been told by their obesity clinic or whatnot.

You seem to have this idea that a fat person who's been drinking a family-size bottle of coke every day for the past 10 years is suddenly going to have a eureka moment the moment they see it contains 20 or however many teaspoons of sugar? :p
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You'd be surprised.

Putting something in an everyday form rather than just a number can make a massive difference in the way people perceive it.
 
tom_e said:
You'd be surprised.

Putting something in an everyday form rather than just a number can make a massive difference in the way people perceive it.
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But when a fat person sees a burger on a plate is it not in "everyday form"? Doesn't make a fat person not eat it.


The fact that something is quantified in a more visual unit of measure has nothing to do with why a fat person keeps getting fatter.
 
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But if you pile up the amount of fat/sugar/cake/whatever they eat in a year and stick it in front of them that would give them a much bigger shock than just throwing a number at them.
 
asim18 said:
Who else is getting fed up of fat stupid people trying to get the world to revolve around them?
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FTFY ;)


I actually always thought a tsp was 5g/ml but anyway. To be honest I do think a 'real world' measure of sugar will help a lot of people make an informed choice so long as it's prominent enough (not quite as much as the cigarette packets mind) as it helps to put it into context.

I take half a sugar in my tea, so the thought of 6-8 spoons of sugar in a similarly sized fizzy drink sounds very much off putting. Similarly I'd baulk at the thought of 6 spoonfuls of sugar in a jar of Dolmio!
 
asim18 said:
But when a fat person sees a burger on a plate is it not in "everyday form"? Doesn't make a fat person not eat it.


The fact that something is quantified in a more visual unit of measure has nothing to do with why a fat person keeps getting fatter.
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I can see you're trying to demonise obesity - which in itself is counter productive - but this isn't just about being fat, high sugar intake affects a large number of people in the form of diabetes. This is a problem that needs lots of small solutions that add up to big change.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I can see you're trying to demonise obesity - which in itself is counter productive - but this isn't just about being fat, high sugar intake affects a large number of people in the form of diabetes. This is a problem that needs lots of small solutions that add up to big change.
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Or people with fatty livers etc, which are otherwise not overweight.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I can see you're trying to demonise obesity - which in itself is counter productive - but this isn't just about being fat, high sugar intake affects a large number of people in the form of diabetes. This is a problem that needs lots of small solutions that add up to big change.
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Seriously?

How is demonising obesity counter-productive? Counter-productive to what? ending obese people? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

You can't want to get rid of obesity and not demonise it at the same time, because then all you're doing is allowing it to become an established part of humanity, which is what has evidently happened as humanity has evolved as well as the fact that obesity rates are STILL increasing. Everybody has it wrong, if we didn't have it wrong it wouldn't be getting worse would it?
 
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