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Posh ****
I get the "not for household waste" argument, but where do you draw the line?
She apparently collected the parcel while she was out, and then unwrapped it and threw the rubbish in the bin, all while she was still out, should she have kept hold of it and taken it home to throw away in her home bin? If so, then how is that any different from a crisp packet, drinks bottle, or any other waste you may create whilst out?
I'd be demanding the specific legislation which contains the full comprehensive and up to date list list of every single item which is and isn't allowed in the bin...
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I thought most people knew this it has been happening for years:
www.sundaypost.com
www.bbc.co.uk
A £200 fine for putting litter in the bin? What a lot of rubbish - The Sunday Post
A gran has been fined £200 by council officials after putting litter in a street bin.
www.sundaypost.com
Battle woman fined £400 for putting waste in bin
Olivia Post picked up rubbish from ripped open bin bags and put it in a council bin.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I thought most people knew this it has been happening for years:
A £200 fine for putting litter in the bin? What a lot of rubbish - The Sunday Post
A gran has been fined £200 by council officials after putting litter in a street bin.
Battle woman fined £400 for putting waste in bin
Olivia Post picked up rubbish from ripped open bin bags and put it in a council bin.
Yeah crappy firms like National Enforcement Solutions making a coin at the public expense by peering into the bins, hiding in hedges in case someone is caught short while out and about, waiting until an item is placed outside the gates for collection or ticketing cars parked on drives without a dropped kerb.
The council gets its cut but the company gets the cream. They are not on the side of the environment or clean streets or even damaged paving slabs. Just putting pepper in the nose of life.
Looks like they've dropped the charges after realising what utter **** they were being...
www.dailypost.co.uk
I might still send over an FOI asking for that list of allowable and prohibited items though
Bin police drop envelope charge then give mum amazing tip for avoiding fines
Natasha faced being 'interviewed under caution by crime officers' after putting an envelope in a public bin
I might still send over an FOI asking for that list of allowable and prohibited items though
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The funny thing is, all of this would be easily observed/funded and enforced by the powers that be if they fired half of the useless council staff for any region in the country.
We've very much got an issue of "too many chefs" when it comes to local council governance and have since before I was alive.
I'll not harp on beyond this because it borders into the political but we badly need an impartial audit (which will never happen) into pretty much every council in the country, they all massively inflate costs to the point their yearly budgets vanish for silly things and it's worse again when you explore the larger local problems. The private sector is nowhere near this inefficient in the use of funds, from what I've seen we're talking a good 30-70% mark up on anything council managed in terms of sustaining the local area and it heavily eats into the overall budget for what we actually pay tax for. It's so blatant and has been for yonks it staggers my mind, I suppose too many people just "get on" and feel it's the norm despite knowing what's happening.
There's literally areas where painting a wall changes from being a paint + painter job for a few hundred quid turns into to tens of thousands. It's a farce, we've massively bloated governing body from the top down filled with utter incompetents that push to hire even more incompetents at best, and at worse pee off funding to people they know.
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Reading that they only collect the bins every three weeks and theres me thinking Birminghams fortnightly plans were going to be bad assuming the strikes ever end.Looks like they've dropped the charges after realising what utter **** they were being...
Bin police drop envelope charge then give mum amazing tip for avoiding fines
Natasha faced being 'interviewed under caution by crime officers' after putting an envelope in a public bin
I might still send over an FOI asking for that list of allowable and prohibited items though
I never knew that it's against the law to put household waste into public bins. I see elderly people using public bins to put their household waste in, because their wheelie bins are too big and heavy for them to handle and put out - imagine an elderly person pushing a wheelie bin with 2-3 weeks worth of rubbish in it. Not that I'm excusing them, as the law is there for a reason, otherwise more people might be encouraged to use public bins to put their household waste into.
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The "too many chiefs" thing has been said since before I was a born.
What has happened in the last 40 years is that a lot of the "simple" council stuff has been outsourced so the council no longer directly employs the people doing things like bin collections, however the council still has to oversee what is being done and has to have the management staff to do that - for example in the case of the dropped kerbs, the council won't normally have the workmen to drop the kerbs on staff as that's outsourced, but will still need the white collar/management staff who do things like check the position of the dropped kerb application, check the utilities and safety of the proposed location, then sign off on it being done.
Oddly enough whenever the "too many chiefs" is actually looked into it tends to turn out not to be true about too many "managers", especially as pretty much every one of those "chiefs" will normally have specific responsivities, often with legal ramifications if they're not done, they're often overworked and might be in "management" positions but frequently only as part of their job (IE they're a "manager" because they're head of a team, but they are directly involved in what the team does as opposed to "just managing").
For example "health and safety" will have a bunch of "managers" who are also often taking part in actually checking things out along with the guys under them, because the management role is effectively only part of their duties.
IIRC there is also a thing to do with the pay grades where certain jobs might be classed as "management" because that's the pay level they get as staff with specialisation/degree requirements as opposed to lower level staff.
Basically council staff these days are very likely to be "white collar" as opposed to "blue collar" because most of the manual labour type jobs that could be outsourced have been, but you still need the people that do the planning, budgeting and oversight at the council.
What has happened in the last 40 years is that a lot of the "simple" council stuff has been outsourced so the council no longer directly employs the people doing things like bin collections, however the council still has to oversee what is being done and has to have the management staff to do that - for example in the case of the dropped kerbs, the council won't normally have the workmen to drop the kerbs on staff as that's outsourced, but will still need the white collar/management staff who do things like check the position of the dropped kerb application, check the utilities and safety of the proposed location, then sign off on it being done.
Oddly enough whenever the "too many chiefs" is actually looked into it tends to turn out not to be true about too many "managers", especially as pretty much every one of those "chiefs" will normally have specific responsivities, often with legal ramifications if they're not done, they're often overworked and might be in "management" positions but frequently only as part of their job (IE they're a "manager" because they're head of a team, but they are directly involved in what the team does as opposed to "just managing").
For example "health and safety" will have a bunch of "managers" who are also often taking part in actually checking things out along with the guys under them, because the management role is effectively only part of their duties.
IIRC there is also a thing to do with the pay grades where certain jobs might be classed as "management" because that's the pay level they get as staff with specialisation/degree requirements as opposed to lower level staff.
Basically council staff these days are very likely to be "white collar" as opposed to "blue collar" because most of the manual labour type jobs that could be outsourced have been, but you still need the people that do the planning, budgeting and oversight at the council.
Its about time they actually employed some then!
I live near Mold and the council changed to every 3 weeks for black bins, except they sometimes collect when I am not expecting. People put black bins out on the wrong week and they get emptied anyway I am sure its saving lots of money.
Why do you care who does it?
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From the sounds of it she was out and about and it was waste produced while out and about so what is the crime ?
My take would be:
They often do it to save money but then have to bring it back in house because the service is poor or too expensive. e.g. Birminghams IT staff were tuped out then eventually came back in house.
It's also easier to make changes to a scheme if they are council employees where as if they were external contractors it might not be possible because of the terms of the contract.
I'd have to double check but if a contractor is undertaking council work they also might not have to respond to FOI requests.
Its also less likely that someone is getting a back hander, wined and dined, given freebies etc than if external contractors are trying to land contracts.
I'm not saying councils are doing a good job by any stretch but I'm not sure outsourcing everything would be any better.
I always dump amazon boxes in the bin, it's addressed to the locker anyway so surely doesnt count as house hold waste.
they usually use boxes that are half empty, so its either carry a massive box or unload to a backpack and dump the box in a bin, I do tear it up to not take up space etc.
how can it be household waste anyway if it's never been to a household, it's no different to buying a pair of trainers in some lame sportshop that won't keep the box and tell you to dump it in the public bin outside, why don't those shops get fines? they are ordering customers to dump rubbish in a public bin that they should be disposing of
they don;t do anything about all the takeway boxes and other crap they should blame the takeaways directly.
near where I live you do get some people dumping binbags next to rubbish bins, I'm assuming it's students because its always bins near student accommodation.
they usually use boxes that are half empty, so its either carry a massive box or unload to a backpack and dump the box in a bin, I do tear it up to not take up space etc.
how can it be household waste anyway if it's never been to a household, it's no different to buying a pair of trainers in some lame sportshop that won't keep the box and tell you to dump it in the public bin outside, why don't those shops get fines? they are ordering customers to dump rubbish in a public bin that they should be disposing of
they don;t do anything about all the takeway boxes and other crap they should blame the takeaways directly.
near where I live you do get some people dumping binbags next to rubbish bins, I'm assuming it's students because its always bins near student accommodation.
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is this the modern equivalent of posting bricks to peoples houses without enough payment for on?Might start putting envelopes with address' of people I don't like in public bins.
(For legal reasons this is a joke)
(I would never do this.......
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Same, it does get raised every couple of years by papers trying to get the local populace frothingI thought most people knew this it has been happening for years:
A £200 fine for putting litter in the bin? What a lot of rubbish - The Sunday Post
A gran has been fined £200 by council officials after putting litter in a street bin.
Battle woman fined £400 for putting waste in bin
Olivia Post picked up rubbish from ripped open bin bags and put it in a council bin.