Who is going to get Vista?
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Well I reckon by the time it is released, I'll have switched to Mac. I will probably get the cheapest version that is available - purely for DirectX 10 / games usage - as I'll be doing the rest of my computing in OS X.
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The majority of people wont rush out and buy vista.
For the 6 months after release I reckon the majority of machines running vista will be new builds with it already installed.
A lot of machines wont be capable of running it without major upgrades. And unlike the move from win3.1 to win95, I cant see people rushing out to buy new graphics cards. As most people who cant run vista due to the graphics cards will be using AGP. As we all know AGP is dead. So its a new mobo time. Oh, and if your using an old socket A chip, a new CPU. Then u need new memory... Wait a minute.... U need a new computer. One with it preinstalled....
I wont go into my reasons for not LIKING vista, but I think the above is an objective and reasonable outlook for VISTA. I think MS have waited too long before releasing this OS that the chances of people upgrading the odd thing on their computer has passed by. Were talking new RAM, new CPU sockets, new Graphics ports, etc...
However, if your on the lookout for a bargain second PC, wait until about 3-4 months after vista is launched.... It will be cuthroat in the 2nd hand department, I do think there will be some VERY good bargains...
Oh, and one final thing. Remember im talking about the majority of people, the moms and dads who goto retail parks to buy their computer needs, and not come on websites like this.... Were the minority... Those in the know, and im sure that a LOT of people on these forums will be running vista in one form or another once it released....
For the 6 months after release I reckon the majority of machines running vista will be new builds with it already installed.
A lot of machines wont be capable of running it without major upgrades. And unlike the move from win3.1 to win95, I cant see people rushing out to buy new graphics cards. As most people who cant run vista due to the graphics cards will be using AGP. As we all know AGP is dead. So its a new mobo time. Oh, and if your using an old socket A chip, a new CPU. Then u need new memory... Wait a minute.... U need a new computer. One with it preinstalled....
I wont go into my reasons for not LIKING vista, but I think the above is an objective and reasonable outlook for VISTA. I think MS have waited too long before releasing this OS that the chances of people upgrading the odd thing on their computer has passed by. Were talking new RAM, new CPU sockets, new Graphics ports, etc...
However, if your on the lookout for a bargain second PC, wait until about 3-4 months after vista is launched.... It will be cuthroat in the 2nd hand department, I do think there will be some VERY good bargains...
Oh, and one final thing. Remember im talking about the majority of people, the moms and dads who goto retail parks to buy their computer needs, and not come on websites like this.... Were the minority... Those in the know, and im sure that a LOT of people on these forums will be running vista in one form or another once it released....
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But it the new glass interface is the main thing in most peoples eyes...
Sure, increased security (or is it???) is another selling point, but considering the typical mom and pop buyer with kids in toe... They will want something that LOOKs better than their old XP...
Its why the same microwaves get sold each year. The same guts, different packaging...
Where once it was white appliances, or black tv's... everything is silver... but will be black once more....
Sure, increased security (or is it???) is another selling point, but considering the typical mom and pop buyer with kids in toe... They will want something that LOOKs better than their old XP...
Its why the same microwaves get sold each year. The same guts, different packaging...
Where once it was white appliances, or black tv's... everything is silver... but will be black once more....
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Areo Glass isn't majorly graphics heavy as most people expect:
I don't think people are going to upgrade as much as they think.
As for when I will upgrade? Depends when I get a license, either thorugh the Uni or via work.
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I don't think people are going to upgrade as much as they think.
As for when I will upgrade? Depends when I get a license, either thorugh the Uni or via work.
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marc2003 said:well the old fx5200 is more than capable of rendering aero glass (not sure of the ati equivalent) but it's hardly top of the range stuff......
Is this from experience, or on paper....
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not experience but plenty of people have it running. got to remember aero glass is hardly groundbreaking - you just need a card that supports hardware dx9..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Graphics_hardware_requirements
http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
http://www.ati.com/technology/WindowsVista/Products.html
so according to that you need a minimum of fx5200 or a 9500 from ati. and you don't even need agp. old pci (not pci-e) nvidia cards even support vista....
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I only use Windows these days on my boot camp partition, maybe once every fortnight or so ... I won't be upgrading any time soon because frankly, there isn't any reason to, Windows XP is fine now I think, it's pretty stable and *relatively* secure, so aslong as I can keep using MS Office, IIS & ODBC on it I won't be upgrading for at least another year 
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marc2003 said:not experience but plenty of people have it running. got to remember aero glass is hardly groundbreaking - you just need a card that supports hardware dx9..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Graphics_hardware_requirements
http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
http://www.ati.com/technology/WindowsVista/Products.html
so according to that you need a minimum of fx5200 or a 9500 from ati. and you don't even need agp. old pci (not pci-e) nvidia cards even support vista....
lol, so its not from experience.... A lot of people said they used to run XP on 64Mb without any problems as well....
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Also consider the upgrade paths for Laptops. Sales of laptops have rocketed lately. A good majority of them are unable to use Aero.
Then consider the average PC bought about 1-2 years ago. A good portion of them also had integrated graphics cards. Again not suitable for Aero.
Then you have to consider the price of Vista. I cannot for the life of me beleive that mom & pop are going to go out and spend £120 on vista (with aero), or £60 (without) to upgrade from xp, especially when XP serves them well.
Like I said, I think that the majority of Vista upgrades will be prosumers (like the people of these forums) and on new builds. People have used XP for 6 years now. Its familiar now. People are used to it. They will wait and see before rushing out and buying Vista upgrades.
I appreciate that you cant wait for Vista marc2003. However I doubt your average user isnt that bothered to be honest. And for the average user Vista doesnt APPEAR to do more than XP, unless you use the new Aero interface, and if you want that, then the costs rocket.... Joe public are a fickle lot.
Its all about Perceived Value. Its why McDonalds sell loads of their rubbish burgers. I cannot see a great demand for Vista on launch. I may be wrong, and I am prepared to eat my words, but I doubt it very much.
Then consider the average PC bought about 1-2 years ago. A good portion of them also had integrated graphics cards. Again not suitable for Aero.
Then you have to consider the price of Vista. I cannot for the life of me beleive that mom & pop are going to go out and spend £120 on vista (with aero), or £60 (without) to upgrade from xp, especially when XP serves them well.
Like I said, I think that the majority of Vista upgrades will be prosumers (like the people of these forums) and on new builds. People have used XP for 6 years now. Its familiar now. People are used to it. They will wait and see before rushing out and buying Vista upgrades.
I appreciate that you cant wait for Vista marc2003. However I doubt your average user isnt that bothered to be honest. And for the average user Vista doesnt APPEAR to do more than XP, unless you use the new Aero interface, and if you want that, then the costs rocket.... Joe public are a fickle lot.
Its all about Perceived Value. Its why McDonalds sell loads of their rubbish burgers. I cannot see a great demand for Vista on launch. I may be wrong, and I am prepared to eat my words, but I doubt it very much.
From experience, I ran Beta 2 on an Athlon 2400+ with 512Mb RAM and an ATi Radeon 9600SE (the crippled version). Aero ran perfectly, and the PC just as quick as XP. Vista has come on leaps and bounds in performance terms since then.Gandalf501 said:
Recent laptops have chipsets such as Intel Integrated 950 or ATi/nVidia mobile varieties. All of these can run Aero.Gandalf501 said:
Have they *ever* done that? The price of Windows hasn't changed in years - I can't see that these kind of people went out and bought XP on release or any other version. I can't see how Vista is any different. As you say, most copies will be sold with a new PC, which is how the vast majority of the market buy PCs.
Enthusiast users such as those here will take it or leave it, as usual. Personally, I think there's plenty of reasons that it deserves a second look - and I'm sure that everyone'll be running it within a year or two, as always.
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The thread is "who is going to get vista", my answer was
1) Early Adopters.
Those people who can name chipset revisions and dont care about extended warranties as they usually have the latest and greatest before the warranties up anyhow.
2) New Builds
From large multinational online websites, or from warehouse sized high street stores.
Will people with modern laptops and pc's risk invalidating their extended warranties by upgrading to Vista? And if they have bought recently, are they really going to fork out more cash for little extra?
Minimum specs. Laughable. Go check out the Min specs quoted for XP. Sure you could run on minimum specs, but it was *****.
Do you think running vista with aero applied on an integrated graphics card that shares the system memory on a 512mb rig is going to be enjoyable. Dont think so. Also consider that not everyone has DX9 capable cards. Beleive it or not. Some people even have 256mb or less of DRAM.
The PC has become commoditised. Its used mainly for accessing the internet by the majority of the people.
Like I said, keep your eyes peeled about 6 months after vista is launched for great bargains in the 2nd hand department.
Oh, and finally, I dont beleive that M$ find it impossible to release DX10 for XP. Seems to me its a way of forcing people who are prepared to spend $$$'s on the latest graphics card to upgrade. Because if you didnt need to upgrade to get DX10, you would surely spend that extra $$$ on the next model up, wouldnt you... really...
1) Early Adopters.
Those people who can name chipset revisions and dont care about extended warranties as they usually have the latest and greatest before the warranties up anyhow.
2) New Builds
From large multinational online websites, or from warehouse sized high street stores.
Will people with modern laptops and pc's risk invalidating their extended warranties by upgrading to Vista? And if they have bought recently, are they really going to fork out more cash for little extra?
Minimum specs. Laughable. Go check out the Min specs quoted for XP. Sure you could run on minimum specs, but it was *****.
Do you think running vista with aero applied on an integrated graphics card that shares the system memory on a 512mb rig is going to be enjoyable. Dont think so. Also consider that not everyone has DX9 capable cards. Beleive it or not. Some people even have 256mb or less of DRAM.
The PC has become commoditised. Its used mainly for accessing the internet by the majority of the people.
Like I said, keep your eyes peeled about 6 months after vista is launched for great bargains in the 2nd hand department.
Oh, and finally, I dont beleive that M$ find it impossible to release DX10 for XP. Seems to me its a way of forcing people who are prepared to spend $$$'s on the latest graphics card to upgrade. Because if you didnt need to upgrade to get DX10, you would surely spend that extra $$$ on the next model up, wouldnt you... really...