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Why are GPU cards made upside down ??

Heheh, it's got nothing to do with heat, dust or BTX. :)

Gather round, for I have a story to tell...

Back in the day, motherboards used 8 bit 'ISA' expansion slots, and it was pretty much good. PC's were just used for spreadsheets & word-processing. Nobody considered buying one for gaming (that's what Amiga 500's were for!), and 'multi-media' was a buzz-word which was yet to be born.

Fast forward a few years and graphics use is advancing to the point where an 8 bit bus is no longer enough. People are actually wanting more than 8 colours on the screen at once and resolutions as high as 640 x 480!!!

The PCI bus is created to meet the new bandwidth requirements offering 32 bits data width and bus-mastering to reduce cpu overhead. (VLB is also launched as an alternative at this time but dies off pretty quickly). The thing is though, that the new PCI slots are a very similar size to the old ISA slots, and the industry is worried that people will try and jam their ISA cards into them. Shock horrror! :eek: So the solution they decide upon is to space the PCI slots differently, requiring the card to be made upside down if it's to line up with the slots at the back of the case. A simple solution to help prevent user error.

And that, my friends, is why PCI cards are upside down. Why they chose to keep it that way for AGP & PCIE, I have no idea. Perhaps it made arranging the slots on motherboards easier, or perhaps it just never occured to them to turn things the right way up again! ;)
 
As Toaster has already said it had nothing to do with heat or dust.
There are a couple of reasons for it

1: The metal bracket wouldn't line up with the slots on the case if a user tried to fit a PCI card into an ISA slot.
This would give all but the most mentally challenged a clue that they were doing something wrong.

2: Having PCI cards upside down allowed them to share a slot with ISA cards.
On a standard ATX desktop you have 7 slots.
During the days of transition from ISA to PCI MB's were made with more than 7 slots.
Boards could have say 5 ISA and 3 PCI.
You couldn't use all the slots, some were either or.
Slot 3 for example could be ISA or PCI not both.

Why was having an extra slot so important to MB manafacturers ?
Folks had lots of cards.
MB's didnt come with much in the way of IO onboard.

Jack might have a collection of 5 ISA cards he wants to install in his new computer.
Jill being a modern girl has an eye on the future and wants at least 3 PCI slots.
A sale could have been lost to either of the users above if the boards didn't have the shared slot feature.


Also remenber not all PC cases are towers, going back a few years most were desktops.
In a desktop case the cards aren't upside down, there the other way round.
 
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The thing is though, that the new PCI slots are a very similar size to the old ISA slots, and the industry is worried that people will try and jam their ISA cards into them. Shock horrror! :eek:

Oh the horror! :eek:

But reall I'm guessing is because the card will be "stronger" that way, as it can lie on the bracket so the weight can focus on that and then to the case, while if it was the over way round the bracket will have to try hold the card up.
 
The intake fan is usually at the bottom of the case and the CPU is directly above the graphics card so it makes sense to have it pointing downwards, cooler air from intake plus less heat build up near the CPU, with recent HSF's they kick the air straight out of the back so it has even less affect on case temperature.
 
Fair observations, but back when graphics cards first went upside down, weight wasn't an issue. Most of them didn't need a heatsink, let alone a fan or the huge coolers we see today.

Likewise, casefans were pretty much unheard of, so airflow was not a consideration. It really was as simple as differentiating the PCI slots from the ISA :)
 
When I designed my case I decided to mount the motherboard the BTX way. Simply for the reasons that the graphics card looked better and the waterblock didn't make it bend so much.

Sometimes I think I wish BTX wasn't scrapped, it had potential.
 
Wonder if you turn your case upside down if the GPU temps would drop ???


Who going try this ?? :D

Heh, I had a dodgy fan on my 3870 x2 where it grated against the plastic sleeve around the fan. I had my machine upside down for a while so the fan rested in its socket instead of grating against the sleeve. Don't think it improved temps.. but made putting DVD's in the optical drive interesting..

Since then I've attacked the plastic sleeve around the fan with a pair of plyers.. a nice brute force remedy.
 
it's like why are all planes painted white!

but my guess is they fell into a form factor with regards to how mobo slots and cases were built and this is just what stuck, if they wanted to change now it would require effort on cases manufacturers, motherboard designers, cooler designers, the list goes on......................... and on......................
 
Heh, I had a dodgy fan on my 3870 x2 where it grated against the plastic sleeve around the fan. I had my machine upside down for a while so the fan rested in its socket instead of grating against the sleeve. Don't think it improved temps.. but made putting DVD's in the optical drive interesting..

Since then I've attacked the plastic sleeve around the fan with a pair of plyers.. a nice brute force remedy.

couldn't you just turn the drive upside down ?
 
it's like why are all planes painted white!

but my guess is they fell into a form factor with regards to how mobo slots and cases were built and this is just what stuck, if they wanted to change now it would require effort on cases manufacturers, motherboard designers, cooler designers, the list goes on......................... and on......................

They tried. it failed. It was known as BRX and was designed thermally to give the best performance. However, it was not backwards compatible.
 
its not the graphics cards that are upside down its the case :p

Cards are the right way round in my lian li v2000 case.

http://sites.google.com/site/dikdolan/wc0004.JPG

Mine is the "right" way up. Half the Lian Li cases have the motherboard the other way up.

This one is not facing down as well.

silverstoneraven2.jpg
 
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