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Why are GPUs so expensive?

Perfect_Chaos said:
Just because people buy them doesn't mean it's worth the money. I have no interest in Apple stuff when you can get similar/better while paying less.

I think it's more the fact that companies see how much people will spend on certain things and take advantage of it these days.
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It's nothing to do with taking advantage of people it's capitalism supply and demand.

There are people selling irn bru for £10 a bottle on ebay.

Some guy spent 30k on a ak47 skin for csgo.

People are spending £200 on keyboards these days too for RGB lights.

Are they also being taken advantage of?

Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Like I said before buy a 1660 super and a 1080p monitor.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
It's nothing to do with taking advantage of people it's capitalism supply and demand
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Not sure I would call big price jumps in just 1-2 generations "supply and demand" when others have complained about the pricing of the 2000 series as well but there we go.

I'll still buy at least a 3070 when the next cards come out, probably be the best price/performance.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Not sure I would call big price jumps in just 1-2 generations "supply and demand" when others have complained about the pricing of the 2000 series as well but there we go.

I'll still buy at least a 3070 when the next cards come out, probably be the best price/performance.
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Well people have complained about house prices too. Did they come down?

Supply and demand.

Same as diamonds which are worthless yet people spend £100k on bracelets encrusted with them.

Why? Supply and demand.

The demand is there from gamers to buy simple as that.

People were spending hundreds on ssds when they came out. Their prices went up due to demand and shortage in supplies. Now supply is better.

If someone can make a better product for cheaper then prices will come down. Until then you pay whatever the going rate is.
 
I agree that it's supply and demand. I'm just pointing out that I have no demand for 2080Ti performance for the current price at which Nvidia is willing to supply it.

I don't mind spending money on toys when I feel like the enjoyment I get from the toys is worth the money I'm spending. A 30% improvement equates to a few visual settings turned up on my driving simulator of choice. That's the sort of enjoyment I could spend *some* money on, but not what Nvidia is currently asking for.

No. For 1k, I would want to be able to run a Vive Pro with the settings I'm running on an Oculus Rift now. 30% won't get me there and running "detailed grass" with a full grid, won't convince me to give Nvidia $1000.
 
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Would you like to know exactly why, here's a little frolic through historically significant gaming cards and justification of the prices based on competition up to modern day.

 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Not sure I would call big price jumps in just 1-2 generations "supply and demand" when others have complained about the pricing of the 2000 series as well but there we go.

I'll still buy at least a 3070 when the next cards come out, probably be the best price/performance.
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it is demand by definition. If there was no demand at those prices there would be no sales and AMDa Nvidia would be forced to lower prices. The fact they haven't proves there is demand.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
It's nothing to do with taking advantage of people it's capitalism supply and demand.
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These prices are not regulated by a third, independent party. The producer mostly doesn't care about the demand, hence the prices at which very few units are being sold.
If they cared about the demand, they wouldn't keep so high prices.

In the capitalist economy, the demand is a variable, which is tried to be forecast, and the producer tries to influence it with its marketing. But this marketing tries to convince you that the products are worth it at their prices, and rarely adjust the supply based on how many people really want the products, and have the money based on their incomes, to afford them.
 
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Perfect_Chaos said:
Don't have to understand economics much to realise when you're getting ripped off either, but of course many still accept it.
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You are getting ripped off if you buy a loaf of bread that said was £1 but when you paid for it, it was £2. That is being ripped off. Nobody who buys anything at the stated price is being ripped off ever!
 
Twinz said:
I agree that it's supply and demand. I'm just pointing out that I have no demand for 2080Ti performance for the current price at which Nvidia is willing to supply it.
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Exactly it’s not about buying what you can afford, what anyone can afford is there own business it’s about vendors trying to control the GPU market which suits them at a huge cost to the customer and treating them like a cash cow. Supply and demand is a factor of course it is but look who controls the supply.

The 2080 is a great example... a generational step backwards in terms of raster performance and price. I think as much as anything Nvidia wanted to protect the price point Pascal by charging so much for 2000 series whilst there was an over supply of Pascal chips.

Apple is selling less iPhones because of market saturation and people holding on to older models so they use all manner of tricks and gimmicks to get the market to pay a higher profit margin per unit. So yeah actually people do complain about the 1k cost of a mobile device.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Exactly it’s not about buying what you can afford, what anyone can afford is there own business it’s about vendors trying to control the GPU market which suits them at a huge cost to the customer and treating them like a cash cow. Supply and demand is a factor of course it is but look who controls the supply.

The 2080 is a great example... a generational step backwards in terms of raster performance and price. I think as much as anything Nvidia wanted to protect the price point Pascal by charging so much for 2000 series whilst there was an over supply of Pascal chips.

Apple is selling less iPhones because of market saturation and people holding on to older models so they use all manner of tricks and gimmicks to get the market to pay a higher profit margin per unit. So yeah actually people do complain about the 1k cost of a mobile device.
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Have you looked at the items purchased thread in GD.

It's full of £1K mobiles, £200 keyboards and £50 light bulbs.

it's a willy waving contest. the fact is a lot of people are still buying them. but a vocal few are unhappy. they don't care if poor people can't afford their products. they have budget models to accommodate them.

you have GPU's to cater to every budget. people now need to consider all GPU's over £300 are luxury and premium products. they aren't supposed to owned by the majority.

look at the steam hardware below

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

1060 - 15%
1050ti
1050
1070
1080
960
970
750ti
2060 - 2%

people need to realise the majority should never be able to afford top end products in a capitalist world. they shouldn't even be able to afford mid-end.

if you look at cars - most people are driving low or low to mid end. most are driving second hand. hardly anyone is buying bugattis.

do people complain they cannot afford a bugatti?
 
If Nvidia and AMD had an equal 50/50% market split, prices would be lower and performance would be higher because they'd be fighting for sales - fact.

You only have yourselves to blame (not directed at AMD GPU owners)!

Monopoly = high prices.

If you want prices to drop then stop buying Nvidia. It's simple.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
If Nvidia and AMD had an equal 50/50% market split, prices would be lower and performance would be higher because they'd be fighting for sales - fact.

You only have yourselves to blame (not directed at AMD GPU owners)!

Monopoly = high prices.

If you want prices to drop then stop buying Nvidia. It's simple.
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So you want people to buy an inferior product?

I buy what is best value for money and at a performance level I want.

I buy from both but lately Nvidia has been top dog for many many years.

So I bought Nvidia for my last 5-6 GPU's Before that I had a few AMD ones then Nvidia before that. I have AMD cpu right now however before that I had intel for years before that.

People buy what is best for them not because they want companies to have an equal split of the market.
 
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