Why aren't arts degrees "real degrees"?

Theophany said:
EDIT: I didn't suggest, nor insinuate I knew a lot, I recounted my own experience. Did I insult you with the sport science comment or something?
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Me? No, I have posted what I do for a job in great lengths on here (and via email when people have asked), plus my recruitment process and the position I am in now.

KaHn
 
Pretty much everyone i know that did an "arts" degree did **** all at uni. Pretty much everyone i know that did an BSc worked MUCH harder and had much more to do that BA's.
 
KaHn said:
No not at all, I am just saying that your posts in this thread come across as the only way you will get a job is by knowing someone in the company you are applying to, which is utter bull plop.

But like I said if you think it will be that easy for you to jump into those positions by just knowing someone in the company then great, come back in a few years once you have done it then I will believe it.

KaHn
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Again, not at all. I recounted my own experience in support of the idea that it is who you know, not what you know. I said in this thread I'm still unemployed and do not have a job. I also said that in the cases where my applications failed (not a strong enough application, not fast enough in NRTs, etc) and I knew somebody in that organisation, I was able to bypass the rejections.

I'm not talking about the wider world either, this is a thread about degrees and employment after degrees was brought up. Graduate recruitment is something I know a little about because I've been to countless seminars, applied for many graduate jobs and internship schemes and the like. I'm no authority on the matter, but I know enough to get by.

If my earlier posts misled you, my apologies, it was not my intention. Hopefully this post is definitive and will quell your distressed mind.
 
With the current climate, I find the only real degrees that will truly get you anywhere at the moment are the traditional degrees usually medically/health linked. (i.e. Medicine, Pharmacy, Dentistry etc) it seems most of the other fields where degree jobs link in to are far too saturated at present.
 
Pete.Dakota said:
If someone is so good at art that they can make a good living off of it, they wouldn't need a degree in it.

Being good at art and creativity is a natural gift and can't be taught. Going to uni and doing fine art because you "like art" is a waste of time and unless you have a natural talent you'll probably wind up racking up a load of debt, wasting 3 years of possible career progression and working in a coffee shop.

*edit* The graphic design argument is a bit different as it is VERY technical. I know this as I have a friend doing it. I'd consider it to be more of an art-science, and is very heavy on the theory. No problems here.
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Being able to draw or paint (insert creative artistic skill) is a skill that you learn and refine through educating yourself. I think you're mistaking 'god given talent' (lol?) for the fact that some students are more determined and dedicated to learning and improving than others. Naturally the ones that are most dedicated will be most successful. Many students in these type of degrees will just do their assignment work, and won't practice or educate themselves in their free time. That is what seperates the mediocre from the truly successful.
 
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Theophany said:
If my earlier posts misled you, my apologies, it was not my intention. Hopefully this post is definitive and will quell your distressed mind.
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Not at all, I just love the **** which gets spouted during degree discussion threads.

I used to be the same, the holier than thou attitude about what degree you did and what uni you went to, degree classification, but 5minutes into my graduate job that all went out the window and trust me it will happen to you once you finish uni.

And please, don't make the mistake to think trying to belittle someone on an internet forum will get you any points with anyone, distressed mind? Get a grip.

KaHn
 
Demoniser said:
Being able to draw or paint is a skill that you learn and refine through educating yourself. I think you're mistaking 'god given talent' (lol?) for the fact that some students are more determined and dedicated than others. Naturally the more dedicated one will be most successful.
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I was using 'god given talent' as a colloquialism, figured it's a term people would be familiar with and I wouldn't have to draw out a longer explanation for people who wanted to nitpick...

And, fixed:

Naturally the more dedicated and most talented one will be most successful.
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I'm crap at art. If I though became determined to become an artist, you reckon I'd be more successful than someone who is naturally talented?
 
Personally, I'm doing a degree in Graphic Design next year, which while it falls under the umbrella of art, is one of the most important areas in the field. Just think of an area of business which doesn't require graphic design.
 
KaHn said:
Not at all, I just love the **** which gets spouted during degree discussion threads.

I used to be the same, the holier than thou attitude about what degree you did and what uni you went to, degree classification, but 5minutes into my graduate job that all went out the window and trust me it will happen to you once you finish uni.

And please, don't make the mistake to think trying to belittle someone on an internet forum will get you any points with anyone, distressed mind? Get a grip.

KaHn
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"I would suggest coming back in a couple of years, once you get some actual experience" - pot and kettle, pal. My employment history isn't on these forums, that doesn't make it non-existent. :)

I'm under no illusions degrees are simply going through the motions, it's all part of the pony show. Am I going to be using even 10% of the things I have learned here in later life? Fat chance. Am I at university because I have a great interest in the academia? Nope, I just need a degree to be considered in the industry I have chosen to pursue. If anything it's the things I've learned in my last five years of employment I'll be using.
 
Pete.Dakota said:
I'm crap at art. If I though became determined to become an artist, you reckon I'd be more successful than someone who is naturally talented?
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I think anyone could be a decent artist if they applied themselves yes. Naturally talented is a bit subjective tbh. Most of these people that are so awesome have applied themselves in the study of their creative field. An aptitude for a creative field like art doesn't instantly make you succesful.
 
KaHn said:
Wow Tefal the forum hero to the rescue :p

Search button is up there dude

KaHn
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i'm not searching though all your posts, it's just if you've had people emailing you it's gotta be relatively interesting so was curious.
 
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