Why can’t Nvidia supply Kepler/GK104/GTX680? TSMC is blameless, Kepler is a self-infl

[layte]

Am I the only one who misses the days when the usual suspects bored us to tears with talk about die size and power draw?

 

[Stanners]

Logic Exam

Question 1:
Based on reports of Nvidia claiming/complaining of low yields and the perceived worldwide stock shortages in comparison to the main competitor using the same process from the same foundry, explain how Charlie is wrong.

Not interested in silly little logic exams, Neither of us can disprove or confirm anything unless you have access to numbers etc. (apart from Nvidia complaining)

So I ask you again, where did you get the figure of 900 units at release as I have read on here the Nvidia units ocuk had but not the AMD quantity(Not saying it was not 900 but I can not remember reading it) so please point me in the correct direction if you will!

 

[Stanners]

Am I the only one who misses the days when the usual suspects bored us to tears with talk about die size and power draw?

Come on, you thats not how it works

 

[Gregster]

So it's the consumers fault that the 680 launched with ~200 unit's here while the 7900's first shipment was ~900 unit's? Same foundry and same process..

From that argument and xsistor/gregster's silence I will assume that Charlie is the more credible source on this subject.

Logic Exam

Question 1:
Based on reports of Nvidia claiming/complaining of low yields and the perceived worldwide stock shortages in comparison to the main competitor using the same process from the same foundry, explain how Charlie is wrong.

Hi there


Now this is a proper pyramid:-

Sorry did not get the XFX involved in that but we've ran out of space.

So nearly 200 to go round!

Nearly 200 7970's on launch day at OcUK....Get your facts correct before making up twaddle please.

Also just to point out. Duff Man posted a while ago which I can't be bothered to find, about the rubbish that Charlie spouts about this that and any thing else he dreams up. The man is a joke when it comes to facts and he has been proven to be an idiot on so many occasions.

 

[Stanners]

Thanks for that, So now we are getting actual proven figures.

200 not 900

Now we know there was around 150 680's at launch on ocuk. Maybe Nvidia wanted more, thousands more and maybe that is why they were annoyed. Who knows as without knowing what figures they were expecting we do not know what they were having a go for.

 

[kmax86]

out of topic:

but did they do a 680 pyramid ?

 

[andybird123]

Logic Exam

Question 1:
Based on reports of Nvidia claiming/complaining of low yields and the perceived worldwide stock shortages in comparison to the main competitor using the same process from the same foundry, explain how Charlie is wrong.

keyword there is perceived

there is plenty of 680 stock around if you go looking for it, maybe not at the cheaper end of the pricing range, there is plenty of stock around if you go looking for it

the insinuation is that the instock ones are only instock because they are over priced, but if they were not moving the retailers would drop the price to move them, which isn't the case, they are still moving and the expensive retailers are just keeping the price high because they can

iirc the 7970 was out of stock quite a lot when it was first released too, it is obviously just not as popular now that the 680 is available

 

[Gibbo]

out of topic:

but did they do a 680 pyramid ?

Nope, due to political reasons it was best we did not bragg about how many we had for launch.

 

[MichaelM]

Nearly 200 7970's on launch day at OcUK....Get your facts correct before making up twaddle please.

Also just to point out. Duff Man posted a while ago which I can't be bothered to find, about the rubbish that Charlie spouts about this that and any thing else he dreams up. The man is a joke when it comes to facts and he has been proven to be an idiot on so many occasions.

Thread title: "** THIS IS A PROPER PYRAMID - 7970!! **"

Did they launch the 7950's at the same time or a later date?

 

[MichaelM]

Nope, due to political reasons it was best we did not bragg about how many we had for launch.

Irrespective of how fast they left your stock room, which brand was easier to get into your stock room and at decent quantities?

 

[Final8y]

Nope, due to political reasons it was best we did not bragg about how many we had for launch.

Because you had most of what was available and it would have upset the others who had to settle for allot less stock.

 

[Gregster]

Thread title: "** THIS IS A PROPER PYRAMID - 7970!! **"

Did they launch the 7950's at the same time or a later date?

Just give it up dude. I dont care what was launched or how many from either brand...The point being Charlie talks a load of **** and what he does not know, he makes up.

 

[MichaelM]

Just give it up dude. I dont care what was launched or how many from either brand...The point being Charlie talks a load of **** and what he does not know, he makes up.

But is there smoke without fire? Long before that article and even before the official launch, everything indicated yield problems for Kepler.

So is this a thread about Kepler yields or Charlie bashing?
Personally I would have never known about that article without someone posting it here, so i'm not defending him, just trying to see if anyone can give an insight to the subject.

 

[Stanners]

Thread title: "** THIS IS A PROPER PYRAMID - 7970!! **"

Did they launch the 7950's at the same time or a later date?

Think but may wrong that they were launched a little later.

 

[panyan]

Think but mate wrong that they were launched a little later.

yeah, the 7950 were launched after if i remember rightly

 

[Gregster]

But is there smoke without fire? Long before that article and even before the official launch, everything indicated yield problems for Kepler.

So is this a thread about Kepler yields or Charlie bashing?
Personally I would have never known about that article without someone posting it here, so i'm not defending him, just trying to see if anyone can give an insight to the subject.

It is about Kepler yeilds and Charlie bashing comes from him posing unfounded tripe.

I don't know any different however I can do simple math and his figures just do not add up.

 

[bhavv]

Lolcharliedemerjian.

GTFO.

 

[Final8y]

Theory:

A Reason for shortage of 680 being that, GK104 was originally designed for around 700 MHZ for stock.

Seeing the abysmal 7970 performance & price - nvidia scrambles to find all the chips it can bin to 1 GHZ to "comfortably" beat 7970.

Sadly, very few chips make the binning.

However....tons and tons of chips can make the secondary binnings for 670/660ti.

Nvidia releases uber performance @ cheap and kills AMD's already flailing market.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33388988&postcount=19

 

[bhavv]

Why cant they release a lower clocked GTX 680 then but without any of the shader blocks disabled?

 

[xsistor]

GTX 680 has dedicated PhysX hardware. Dumbledore was the greatest Wizard who ever lived. It's PhysX hardware that makes Kepler better. This might sound mysterious and untenable, to anyone who knows anything at all about electronics and computational complexity theory, but just take it, man! Gryffindor's for the brave. Also, NVIDIA's Kepler makes Fermi look like Gandhi (or some such twaddle), "which could only mean that NVIDIA IS GONNA FREAKIN START CRIPPLING GAMES to make kepler beat 79x0" -- As impossible as this sound this news is DrunkenMastah's interpretation of Semiaccurate's words so it's GOTTA be true. Blah blah bah.

Semiaccurate is accurate, and Ned Stark was a real person.