Why did I wait :(

[The Asgard]

Alright, I rephrase - Titan buyers defending Nvidias pricing strategy

I'm not defending anything but if you want something then you need to pay the price.

Sure I wish Titan was £300 but it isn't. Just get over it.

 

[Final8y]

So don't buy it stick with your 680. That's your choice.

Nvidia/ATI could do nothing for the next 5 years and just sell the same thing. Would you be more happier?
R&D costs...

personally I am surprised we have had it so good for so long.

Fixed! dont bring necessities into it, because many of them are a completely different ball game as to price structure and how they are derived, slap the same percentage of petrol tax+duty of 81.5% on the rest of the necessities and other goods and it would be game over for 90% of the population.

 

[The Asgard]

Fixed! dont bring necessities into it, because many of them are a completely different ball game as to price structure and how they are derived, slap the same percentage of petrol tax on the rest of the necessities and other goods and it would be game over for 90% of the population.

Your missing the point. Generally costs are rising, not saying Nvidia are justified but you cant keep expecting to pay the same price indefinitely. NVidia are charging the price because they have great products that people want.

Anyway we are going around in circles. Enjoy the weekend.

Getting a beer.

 

[Kaapstad]

There will always be muppets who queue up and jump right in to buy the newest gen hardware regardless of the price, then pull what ever reason out of their ass in attempt to justify spending so much.

Multi monitor seems to be the most common way to justify throwing money down the pan.

As long as these people exist Nvidia have no reason to reduce their pricing.

I bought 4 Titans on launch day and I don't think I have to defend that.

I enjoy a bit of benching and for that use they are still the fastest option, four GTX 780s will not get the performance I want.

I am also still toying with the idea of getting another Titan for another project, or putting it another way I do not regret buying the 4 I already have.

Titans do have their uses and for that they are worth it.

 

[Final8y]

Your missing the point. Generally costs are rising, not saying Nvidia are justified but you cant keep expecting to pay the same price indefinitely. NVidia are charging the price because they have great products that people want.

Anyway we are going around in circles. Enjoy the weekend.

Getting a beer.

No one is missing the point that costs are rising, the point is just saying the costs are rising does not justify any price rises to what they wish.

 

[stealthgeek]

Anyone who believes they arent getting reamed by AMD/Nvidia for new parts is deluding themselves....

Im an Apple customer, and I know Im getting ripped off. I'm not sitting here sucking air between my teeth and saying 'well guys, cost of petrol is going up, we havent had it so good etc etc'

Their products are overpriced, end of really!

 

[Kaapstad]

Anyone who believes they arent getting reamed by AMD/Nvidia for new parts is deluding themselves....

Im an Apple customer, and I know Im getting ripped off. I'm not sitting here sucking air between my teeth and saying 'well guys, cost of petrol is going up, we havent had it so good etc etc'

Their products are overpriced, end of really!

Well said sir

NVidia and AMD are just as bad

AMD, check out the price of a HD 7990

NVidia, GTX 680 gets upgraded to the GTX 770 with higher clocks, better cooler and faster vram, then gets sold for quite a bit less than the GTX 680 - what were NVidia doing with the pricing of the GTX 680. Forget the Titan there are not that many around, there are loads more GTX 680s in use that people had to pay a premium for.

 

[whyscotty]

Most of the time i buy what i want regardless of the Value, i just dont make excuses when it not based on Value as if it was, i buy mostly on want, most of the time its not ram down your throat that only value matters, its people not admitting bad Value is what people are up in arms about in regards to others and not that Value only matters and people buying not based on it should be shot down, most of the time people are only posting there own opinions on what they think is good Value.

So you are saying

If you buy something, it's good value.

But if someone buys a Titan, it's poor value because you/others say it is?

 

[Final8y]

So you are saying

If you buy something, it's good value.

But if someone buys a Titan, it's poor value because you/others say it is?

You need to read what i have been saying again because i didn't say when i buy its good Value, i said most of the time when i buy it is not but i will not pretend that it is good value.

I have no idea how you came to your conclusion.

And about the Titan that's been explained already as to how others judge its value and why, you better read the whole thread again.

 

[whyscotty]

You need to read what i have been saying again because i didn't say when i buy its good Value, i said most of the time when i buy it is not but i will not pretend that it is good value.

I have no idea how you came to your conclusion.

May be something to do with this

Sorry but i can afford it and its still poor value and the definition of value is not linked to what people can afford, its comprised of what your getting for the money while also comparing to what else is available and to what increases over past offerings while taking costs into account.

I will likely spend far more on my next upgrade than what a Titan cost just like i have in the past, but it will certainly be better value for my money than a Titan.

Point being, value is an opinion.

The only opinion that matters is the one of the purchaser.

 

[V F]

So you are saying

If you buy something, it's good value.

But if someone buys a Titan, it's poor value because you/others say it is?

To a consumer I'd imagine it would be bad since they just play games. To a game developer/company I'd imagine they would make it back many times over.

 

[Final8y]

May be something to do with this



Point being, value is an opinion.

The only opinion that matters is the one of the purchaser.

Again point to where i said that when i buy its Good Value but when others buy it is not.

The only thing that i can see that went over your head is I will likely spend far more on my next upgrade than what a Titan cost just like i have in the past, but it will certainly be better value for my money than a Titan.
Better Value is purely a comparative term which is not the same as Good Value hence why i said Better and not Good, one thing can still have better value than another while still being bad value in itself.

Yes Value is an opinion based on many factors, tell me something i dont know.

The only opinion that matters is the one of the purchaser, correct but which does not mean others can't have a disagreeing opinion of it, hence why i dont ask for purchasing advice because i buy what i want and not what others want.

I got a little bit of stick here after i dropped £1900 on a pair of cards, but it was a little bit of stick because i didn't try to make out that it was good value for money or make excuses for the price, i said why i needed it and that was that pretty much and there was no other combo of getting what i needed cheaper period, very happy with the cards though.

 

[Gripen90]

Good value is pretty much in the eyes of the beholder

If you want top performance like Titan then GTX 780 3GB is pretty good value.

If you want to play everything at Full HD resolution with 8x Anti Aliasing then GTX 770 2GB is pretty good value.

I went from GTX 670 3-way SLi to GTX 780 3GB SLi... that's pretty bad value, but nevertheless I'm happy with my decission

 

[arc@css]

I don't like the state of affairs, but it doesn't affect me much since I don't upgrade as often as say five or more years ago. I can still buy a very high end single gpu card for no more than I paid since starting gaming. It's when I jump to 1440p that it might hurt a little more, though two 7950s / 670s is all I would need.

 

[Blame]

You buy what you want. simples. who cares what others think.

im still running a 560ti. does the job. If i can afford a Titan i would go for it.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Its the blurring of what value is. Price performance ratio will give a numerical value. This gets blurred with the value too the buyer ie 3 titans for triple screen 1600p gaming.

 

[MoRT489]

I bought 4 Titans on launch day and I don't think I have to defend that.

I enjoy a bit of benching and for that use they are still the fastest option, four GTX 780s will not get the performance I want.

I am also still toying with the idea of getting another Titan for another project, or putting it another way I do not regret buying the 4 I already have.

Titans do have their uses and for that they are worth it.

Do you have a build log somewhere, that must be used with some pretty epic hardware? Dont u also have 2 690s and 780s Kaap?

 

[vapor matt]

Ive had the debate in my mind for ages, titan a fantastic card with great performance. then i ask myself the same old question.

I have 2 GTX-680sc EVGA cards in SLI under water which are faster than a single titan or 780, so my upgrade path would be 2 X 780 or 2 X titan, either way dual titan's or 780's with water blocks offer the only upgrade path if i stay with nvidia.

Then i ask myself the same question in will i see any difference on screen, i use a single screen 2560 X 1440 for some video encoding, Photoshop, ect and yes i play games, but past 60fps with everything maxed out can you see any difference. 2 X GTX-680sc cards overclocked look amazing, I just cant see apart from benchmarks and braging rights what 2 X titan or 2 X 780's will do for me personally.

I purchased my first 680 at launch and have enjoyed single and sli 680's but for me dual titan, 780's offer very little apart from FPS which i cant see anyway. when my sli 680's dont cut it anymore i will upgrade simples!

Next time i might go AMD depending on the performance. as for price i see no point knocking anyone for what they spend on the hardware they want or need for there own application, if you need it and can afford it then its your choice simple as that! yes prices have gone up, but thats life if you dont like it dont buy it!

 

[chris-82]

I've read all this thread and it went from prices are too much we agree we agree to this model card was supposed to be this model card to Titan owners defending there purchases and titans being said there to expensive.

All I see is two group's of people who are pc gamer enthuiasts one group trying to tell the other that prices are rising at silly rates which DON'T match inflation,people feeling pushed out by pricing and ultimately possibly having to go to consoles (some through choice others forced) trying to point out the issue of price doesn't match performance.

The other half being I have the money I don't care deal with it attitude,don't like it don't buy it (effectively u may aswell tell people to quit pc gaming) which sadly is what is creating the price problem and possibly forcing people out of the market,sadly it doesn't just effect high end cards it allows the whole range of cards to be bumped up in price.
People would not be complaining if only the top top cards where being effected sadly this is not true the more people who support these prices only make it worse for everyone.
Sadly obviously for the more well off people prices haven't risen to levels where they are concerned YET by that time though the pc market will be so small there will be little to salvage.

I'm no saying everyone with a good disposable cash sum or people who don't all feel this way but it generally seems this way.

It's a shame really as a platform that isn't to steady/could be more popular at the moment we should all be sticking together to make it more attractive price wise.

Don's flame suit!

 

[whyscotty]

Do you have a build log somewhere, that must be used with some pretty epic hardware? Dont u also have 2 690s and 780s Kaap?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18498151&highlight=project+username_Kaapstad