Why did I wait :(

[Kaapstad]

It's not a laughing matter at all. While you are still happily defending Nvidia out of patriotism, the rest of us are indeed very concerned about Nvidia and AMD holding hands with one another with "one taking the front, the other taking the rear, and the customers in between..."

I am not defending anyone, what I am concerned about is people made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on.

From what I can see of it AMD are just as bad as NVidia

Here are a couple of examples.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-319-SP&groupid=701&catid=56

It seems to be a trend for anyone using NVidia to be made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on but AMD are just as bad.

And yes when the HD 9970 launches the price will be taking the $%^&

And I would also like to remind you I also have 6 AMD GPUs so there is no NVidia patriotism going on here. Can you say the same ?

 

[Marine-RX179]

And I would also like to remind you I also have 6 AMD GPUs so there is no NVidia patriotism going on here. Can you say the same ?

I had TNT2 Ultra, GeForce 440MX, Radeon X1600XT, 8800GTS (G90), 9800GTX+, then HD5850...so I had far more Nvidia card than ATI/AMD

Anyway, AMD releasing the overpriced 7990 is not really hurting anyone (other than people that were expecting it to be priced like 5970 level), considering it's not really a mainstream level card; however the GTX770 is only as fast as the 7970's performance, yet asking for the same money despite launching 12 months after the 12.11 driver, and with a lower spec. They basically single-handily killed 12 months of progression...

 

[arc@css]

I didn't realize AMD had a cpu that expensive in their range.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I didn't realize AMD had a cpu that expensive in their range.

It's new and recently launched.

 

[Gripen90]

... They basically single-handily killed 12 months of progression...

Well in a way so did AMD by not making any new release "allowing" nVidia to squeeze more money.
AMD can't continue with these low prices and throw 3-5 free new title games with every card without losing money for the company in the long term.

 

[arc@css]

It's new and recently launched.

Still, it must be a first for them charging that kind of money for cpus? I can see a higher clocked core in the spec, but nothing else.

 

[Nasher]

The thing is, progress has pretty much slowed to a crawl (which is the real reason for slow PC sales, not tablets). There hasn't really been any leaps in computer hardware etc for years now. You can still use a 3-4 year old system to run just about anything on high detail. The only thing you may need to upgrade is the graphics card, so that's where they are milking it.

But with things the way they are, you might as well wait a few months for prices to plummet and then buy. It's not like 10 years ago when your system suddenly became obsolete once the next big title got released.

Things may pick up again once the "next gen" consoles get released. But I doubt it, since they are basically using out-dated PC hardware to make them.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Still, it must be a first for them charging that kind of money for cpus? I can see a higher clocked core in the spec, but nothing else.

Yea AMD basically pulled a "GTX770" with their new top-end CPU (raised the TDP, clocking close to the limit), but with the difference of shooting the price through the roof, comparing to the "original" which it came from.

 

[chris-82]

I am not defending anyone, what I am concerned about is people made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on.

From what I can see of it AMD are just as bad as NVidia

Here are a couple of examples.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-319-SP&groupid=701&catid=56

It seems to be a trend for anyone using NVidia to be made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on but AMD are just as bad.

And yes when the HD 9970 launches the price will be taking the $%^&

And I would also like to remind you I also have 6 AMD GPUs so there is no NVidia patriotism going on here. Can you say the same ?

its not just about nividia its amd aswell its about how these prices are effecting all gpu ranges.
but as nividia are ahead in terms of high pricing they are the ones being used as the example but this is allowing amd to push up there prices which is basically what everyone is trying to say,not bashing on nividia as such but what is happening due to these prices being accepted by consumers.

 

[V F]

its not just about nividia its amd aswell its about how these prices are effecting all gpu ranges.
but as nividia are ahead in terms of high pricing they are the ones being used as the example but this is allowing amd to push up there prices which is basically what everyone is trying to say,not bashing on nividia as such but what is happening due to these prices being accepted by consumers.

It'll be no different to power company cartels.

 

[Final8y]

Well in a way so did AMD by not making any new release "allowing" nVidia to squeeze more money.
AMD can't continue with these low prices and throw 3-5 free new title games with every card without losing money for the company in the long term.

No! its the consumer who allowed NV to squeeze more money seeing as AMD offered similar performance, 1 GB Vram more, Wider buss for cheaper for most of the AMD 7xxx and NV 6xx period and that's not including the games.

The NV 7xx offers nothing over the 6xx for the most part except higher clocks which users mostly could have gotten with the 6xx if NV didn't lock down the Voltage, .

 

[ubersonic]

It seems to be a trend for anyone using NVidia to be made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on but AMD are just as bad.

Pretty much sums up the whole situation.

No! its the consumer who allowed NV to squeeze more money seeing as AMD offered similar performance, 1 GB Vram more, Wider buss for cheaper for most of the AMD 7xxx and NV 6xx period

The problem is though, that's not true. When the 6xx series first launched the GTX670 could match the HD7970 and the GTX680 was out in front so the prices were actually in line with the AMD parts they compared too, it was only after AMD squeezed a ton of extra performance out of the drivers and introduced the 7970GE (and later 7950BE) that prices became skewed, people always seem to forget this.

The NV 7xx offers nothing over the 6xx for the most part except higher clocks which users mostly could have gotten with the 6xx if NV didn't lock down the Voltage, .

You mean like how the 7970 GHz edition and 7950 Boost edition offered nothing over the original cards except higher clocks which users mostly could have gotten themselves anyway?

 

[Final8y]

I am not defending anyone, what I am concerned about is people made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on.

From what I can see of it AMD are just as bad as NVidia

Here are a couple of examples.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-319-SP&groupid=701&catid=56

It seems to be a trend for anyone using NVidia to be made to feel uncomfortable about what they spend their money on but AMD are just as bad.

And yes when the HD 9970 launches the price will be taking the $%^&

And I would also like to remind you I also have 6 AMD GPUs so there is no NVidia patriotism going on here. Can you say the same ?

AMD is just as bad at times and AMD gets knocked just the same, like when the 7970 first launched, like when the 7990 launched and as well as those CPUs, the only difference is that users who buy them dont tend to make excuses for AMD for that AMD are justified for the price even when AMD partly were when the 7970 first launched, it was not hugely more expensive than the next fastest offering [580] but people still put it down.

The fact is people have been more accepting of NV high prices than AMD high prices but it seems the prices are running away with themselves and people dont want to hear excuses for it.

If you want it buy it and be happy, i read a few 7990 users comments and they say they are happy with them but they dont make excuses for AMD for the price and is going EOL.

There is a difference in justifying paying because you want it than justifying NV,AMD for the price.

 

[Final8y]

The problem is though, that's not true. When the 6xx series first launched the GTX670 could match the HD7970 and the GTX680 was out in front so the prices were actually in line with the AMD parts they compared too, it was only after AMD squeezed a ton of extra performance out of the drivers and introduced the 7970GE (and later 7950BE) that prices became skewed, people always seem to forget this.

Don,t make me have to spell out every little detail.
I said for the most part didn't I, because we are all aware of the situation at launch and when the 6xx launched hence why i said for the most part over the life of the 7xxx 6xx and the Vram and Buss facts are there from launch.

You mean like how the 7970 GHz edition and 7950 Boost edition offered nothing over the original cards except higher clocks which users mostly could have gotten themselves anyway?

The difference is AMD is not calling them a new gen, but a higher SKU and not pretending that its anything else but that and AMD are not limiting people from reaching the 7970 GHz edition and 7950 Boost edition performance by limiting the voltage and even released a BIOS to help people reach them.

 

[Kaapstad]

AMD is just as bad at times and AMD gets knocked just the same, like when the 7970 first launched, like when the 7990 launched and as well as those CPUs, the only difference is that users who buy them dont tend to make excuses for AMD for that AMD are justified for the price even when AMD partly were when the 7970 first launched, it was not hugely more expensive than the next fastest offering but people still put it down.

The fact is people have been more accepting of NV high prices than AMD high prices but it seems the prices are running away with themselves and people dont want to hear excuses for it.

If you want it buy it and be happy, i read a few 7990 users comments and they say they are happy with them but they dont make excuses for AMD for the price and is going EOL.

There is a difference in justifying paying because you want it than justifying NV,AMD for the price.

I think people should be free to buy whatever they want whether it be AMD or NVidia without other people forever going on about the price they paid.

Having said that all companies are guilty of inflating prices if they can.

 

[Final8y]

I think people should be free to buy whatever they want whether it be AMD or NVidia without other people forever going on about the price they paid.

Having said that all companies are guilty of inflating prices if they can.

I think people should be free to buy whatever they want whether it be AMD or NVidia but that is not the issue, people are free to bash AMD and NV for the prices, its that some people are putting themselves in the line of fire by saying that some how AMD and NV are justified and it just happens that some people try to justify NV high prices more than people try to justify AMD high prices.

When i bought My £950 Sapphire Cards, Sapphire got bashed for the price i didn't besides a few you're crazy comments because the few of us who bought them didn't try to justly Sapphire for the price and it was not a reference so AMD didn't take a bashing either and could not be matched by cheaper combination of alternatives, any combination that beat it cost more.

 

[Kaapstad]

I think if people want to bash prices that is fair enough, but it should be in a separate thread on it's own rather than spilling over into other threads and ruining them.

 

[Final8y]

I think if people want to bash prices that is fair enough, but it should be in a separate thread on it's own rather than spilling over into other threads and ruining them.

This thread is a price bashing thread from the OP and numerous ones before have ended up the same way.
Some people want to come in and defend the prices for whatever reason and that is upto them but don't expect for people not to respond to it.

 

[dmferrett]

I think people should be free to buy whatever they want whether it be AMD or NVidia without other people forever going on about the price they paid.

Having said that all companies are guilty of inflating prices if they can.

Very true, but AMD users dont like the way "some" Nvidia users think they have their heirs and graces and come across like they have the superior product when infact they have paid disproportionately more for a negligeable performance enhancement if any gain at all.

Getting to the core of this>>>

If the 760 is £200, 770 is £300, 780 is £400 and the Titan came in at £500 then people couldn't moan so much as there is progressive performance relative to cost. (Excluding the arguments of limited Memory Bus and Vram)

Currently even in Nvidia's own range, price has no relevance or relationship to performance. (Using FPS as the performance parameter being measured)

On another post i asked if someone could do basic calcualtions on cost per frame which would be very interesting to see. And not just AMD verse Nvidia but Nvidia verse Nvidia between different models.

If a Titan has only 20-30% more FPS than a gtx770 why is it 250-300% the cost. 1% increase in frames should never cost 10% or more money its crazy.

Likewise a 7950 is within 2% off a 7970 but was £100 less expensive and overclocks and performs often comparable when overclocked...

All companies, models, cards and prices should be critically analysed because we as customers dont want the urine extracted out of us...

What we dont want is hugely expensive items like the Tian pushing the cost of mainstream enthusiast cards at the previouly £250-£350 price point jumping to £450-£550 plus..

The Gtx 770 and the Titan are great cards no doubt. If the 770 had 3-4Gb and 384 bits memory bus at ths current price point it would be perfection. If Team green made this card it would be truely awesome. This might even be Nvidia's next move if the 20Nm process isnt ready come the autumn.

The Titan is sex on silicon but it needs to be £500 IMO. Then we can all aspire to purchase it and also even god forbid justify it to our wives on performance grounds when compared the other Gpu's on the market..(Currently Unjustifiable for Gaming alone IMO)

Just my thoughts.................Same with Intel but thats another debate...........................

 

[Final8y]

+1 above

The justification to Wife's and Girlfriends had been included in the packaging for many purchases from OCUK for sometime now, its the first thing i look for