Why did I wait :(

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:08

spoffle said:
They do scale, I didn't say they didn't.

What I said is that it's not a linear scale.

Bare in mind that my current resolution of 7680x1440's pixel count is in excess of the pixel count from a 4K display.

3840x2160 = 8.3 million pixels

7680x1440 = 11 million pixels

I did not spend £3000 to be able to run games at my resolution, I also don't need 6GB of RAM.

You also can not max your games out

Perhaps if you can, you tell us what fps you get on Crysis 3 maxed and what your memory usage is maxed.

spoffle · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:08

Kaapstad said:
You also can not max your games out

Perhaps if you can, you tell us what fps you get on Crysis 3 maxed and what your memory usage is maxed.

When I did I say I could max all games out?

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:10

spoffle said:
When I did I say I could max all games out?

My point exactly, for 4k the Titans are ideal

The Asgard · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:10

Final8y said:
1)Yes it does happen.

2)Stop bringing necessities into yet again, because that is a completely different matter.

3)Its not the fact of life, its what we make it, its not a natural phenomenon.

4)You completely miss the point because its nothing about the effect it has on peoples lives.

1) Good luck with that

2) Look around with what's happening to the coin in your pocket. It's you banging on about prices and value.

3) Again good luck with that. You feel you have control but really that's an illusion.

4)Well it's obviously stressing you out for what ever reason.

Final8y · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:18

The Asgard said:
1) Good luck with that

2) Look around with what's happening to the coin in your pocket. It's you banging on about prices and value.

3) Again good luck with that. You feel you have control but really that's an illusion.

4)Well it's obviously stressing you out for what ever reason.

1) Sales, discounts, special offers...ect to encourage people to buy were otherwise they would not, what world are you living on.
Why bother to have sales or drop prices if everyone would buy regardless.

You are going way off track on all point because you dont understand the points being made and none of the points were about me either.

spoffle · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:23

Kaapstad said:
Using the same settings it is very linear, providing the rest of the system is not bottlenecking anything a game giving 60fps @1080p will give 30fps @1600p and 15fps @4k

It's really not linear. The fall off isn't like that. Going from 1920x1080 to 2560x1600 will not give you half the frame rate. It's actually around 2/3 for 7970s/7950s.

Even a GTX680's FPS isn't halved going from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600.

The amount of stuff you argue about authoritively despite not understanding it is a little concerning.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/6.html

In most of the games tested there, the fall off from going from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600 is nearly always dead on 2/3, not 50%.

Kaapstad said:
My point exactly, for 4k the Titans are ideal

That isn't the same as good value.

Additionally, for example, a 7970 isn't so far behind a Titan at 4K that makes the Titan good value. A 7990 is faster than a Titan at 4K, does the 7990 suddenly become good value on this basis? No.

The Asgard · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:23

Final8y said:
You are going way off track on all point because you dont understand the points being made and none of the points were about me either.

What ever ...

spoffle · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:32

The Asgard said:
What ever ...

MoRT489 · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:32

Kaapstad said:
3gb cards may be able to use reduced settings on one of these monitors, but this is the real market for the Titan with it's 6gb of vram. If it was not for the extra vram the price would be much closer to the GTX 780.

The review I read on Hexus showed that max VRAM usage on whatever tests they did was maxxed at 2.6GHz on the Titan so I'm still not convinced 6GB is anything but a sales gimmick.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/displays/57849-asus-pq321q-4k-gaming-tried-tested/?page=7

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:33

spoffle said:
It's really not linear. The fall off isn't like that. Going from 1920x1080 to 2560x1600 will not give you half the frame rate. It's actually around 2/3 for 7970s/7950s.

Even a GTX680's FPS isn't halved going from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600.

That is because you need to remove the bottleneck @1080p before you test

That isn't the same as good value.

Additionally, for example, a 7970 isn't so far behind a Titan at 4K that makes the Titan good value. A 7990 is faster than a Titan at 4K, does the 7990 suddenly become good value on this basis? No.

You can not have it both ways if you start maxing games like Crysis 3 @4k the vram usage will go well over 3gb which makes the HD 7970 a non starter. As to the HD7990 they are nice cards but you can not put 4 of them in the same box and expect it to run, xfire driver support only goes up to 4 GPUs.

Final8y · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:36

What you need to get the job done and how much it costs are 2 different things.
Just because something is available to get the job done that does not mean that any asking price is good value.

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:37

MoRT489 said:
The review I read on Hexus showed that max VRAM usage on whatever tests they did was maxxed at 2.6GHz on the Titan so I'm still not convinced 6GB is anything but a sales gimmick.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/displays/57849-asus-pq321q-4k-gaming-tried-tested/?page=7

Gregster and Andybird123 go way over 3gbs on their rigs at high resolutions.

spoffle · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:43

Kaapstad said:
That is because you need to remove the bottleneck @1080p before you test

So now 1080P is a bottleneck?

*facepalm*

Dem moving goalposts.

You can not have it both ways if you start maxing games like Crysis 3 @4k the vram usage will go well over 3gb which makes the HD 7970 a non starter. As to the HD7990 they are nice cards but you can not put 4 of them in the same box and expect it to run, xfire driver support only goes up to 4 GPUs.

Both ways? What are you talking about? Such a situation doesn't make a card "good value", that isn't what value means or is used for.

Feeling something is necessary isn't the same as feeling it's value for money even at a massively inflated price.

Kaapstad said:
Gregster and Andybird123 go way over 3gbs on their rigs at high resolutions.

What's a "rig"?

Gregster (where's he gone?) runs at 5680x1080, it's not particularly high res, 2560x1440 is about 2/3 the pixel count of that.

In addition to that, you should know better than that. It's hard to reliably measure VRAM usage as you know full well games can and do cache stuff in VRAM that isn't necessary.

LtMatt · 24 Jul 2013 at 16:46

Anand did some 4k benches a while back at maximum settings and the 7950 seemed ok on the vram front. These were run at maximum quality and maximum AA settings for the benchmarks.

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:10

spoffle said:
So now 1080P is a bottleneck?

*facepalm*

Dem moving goalposts.

Both ways? What are you talking about? Such a situation doesn't make a card "good value", that isn't what value means or is used for.

Feeling something is necessary isn't the same as feeling it's value for money even at a massively inflated price.

What's a "rig"?

Gregster (where's he gone?) runs at 5680x1080, it's not particularly high res, 2560x1440 is about 2/3 the pixel count of that.

In addition to that, you should know better than that. It's hard to reliably measure VRAM usage as you know full well games can and do cache stuff in VRAM that isn't necessary.

Your lack of benching knowledge is shocking.

1080p is an awful bottleneck for highend GPUs.

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:11

LtMatt said:
Anand did some 4k benches a while back at maximum settings and the 7950 seemed ok on the vram front. These were run at maximum quality and maximum AA settings for the benchmarks.

Very selective there

Could we have one for Crysis 3 maxed please.

LtMatt · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:14

Kaapstad said:
Very selective there

Could we have one for Crysis 3 maxed please.

No as they only tested three games.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7120/some-quick-gaming-numbers-at-4k-max-settings

Look at the single digit fps of the 680/690 SLI setup though.

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:17

LtMatt said:
No as they only tested three games.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7120/some-quick-gaming-numbers-at-4k-max-settings

Look at the single digit fps of the 680/690 SLI setup though.

They have always been poor above 1600p so at 4k no chance.

spoffle · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:19

Kaapstad said:
Your lack of benching knowledge is shocking.

1080p is an awful bottleneck for highend GPUs.

Your general lack of knowledge is shocking.

That aside, how can you justify in your head saying that going from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600 results in a halving of FPS, only to dismiss the relevance of 1920x1200 when you're proven wrong?

Kaapstad · 24 Jul 2013 at 17:37

spoffle said:
Your general lack of knowledge is shocking.

That aside, how can you justify in your head saying that going from 1920x1200 to 2560x1600 results in a halving of FPS, only to dismiss the relevance of 1920x1200 when you're proven wrong?

Going from 1080x1920 to 1600x2560 doubles the pixel count.

I don't know where you get 1920 x 1200 from.