Why do people think it acceptable to break the Speed Limit.

I haven't actually, although I would like to. I do know that Germany has around 8000 miles of unrestricted Autobahn and that the safety record is better than that of the M25. I do not know how busy the unrestricted sections of the Autobahns actually are, and whether you would be less likely to encounter Mrs Miggins bimbling along in the middle lane at 60mph. I'd love to try it one day and simply see what my car is actually capable of with me at the wheel, although I'm not young anymore and the car is a lot more capable than me. I'd also love to drive the Nurbugring.

I did take note of Geekman's post on the speeds he was driving alongside others, but as his location is given as Monterey, I figured he wasn't driving in this country.

I'm actually less critical of 5mph over the limit on a 60 or 70 mph NSL road than I am of 5mph on a 30 mph road. Generally speaking you should have more visibility and stopping distance, and yes, I have looked down and seen that I am slightly exceeding the speed limit at times. I do mean less than 10% over. I used to exceed the speed limit regularly as a sales rep, but I now understand the trauma speeding can cause. I had to consciously force myself to drive at, or just below, the limit, until it became natural.

We don't have many 20mph limits in Essex (as yet) and I don't actually agree with them, as when I'm driving in towns in Scotland I find myself watching the speedo more than I should, and that it takes me a little while to recalibrate my brain to drive automatically at 20. The 20 limits (to me) have been put in to counter the drivers that do not stick to 30 in a 30. If everybody did, then there would be less of a need for lower limits.

I've been driving to / from Germany for the best part of 20 years and lived there for 8 years.

Driving standards on motorways / Autobahns is vastly better than in the UK. They still have very poor roads in places that can't deal with rain and visibility reduces very quickly, but most people are generally more aware of what's going on. Lane disipline is vastly better and people are clearly paying more attention. The German driving test is much more difficult than the UK one (I explained what our was to some people there and they laughed). Of course winter tyres / all weather are required for winter months and if you have an accident without having them and you are found at fault you are in a world of pain. You'll of course get idiots who insist on doing 180km/h even when it's chucking it down but it's not normal. You get used to driving on them quite quickly.. you have to be much more aware of your surroundings and get out of the way of anyone coming up fast behind. You have to break a lot earlier than you are used to and honestly after a while it is more tiring than driving in the UK if it's busy. If it's not busy, it's incredibly easy and you get places quickly. Lots of people of course don't drive over 130/ 140 even when it is derestricted.

Generally though German Autobahns are built very differently to UK motorways - the lanes are wider, curves are banked, they are almost spotlessly clear of debris. Most of the Autobahns don't have a limit for km after km, there are tons of roadworks, tons of very steep hills, busy junctions etc that there are limits in force for. There are a few exceptions of course and there are some stretches that are around 50-100km long with no limits at all other than tunnels - those are quite good fun where you can just sit at 170km/h (or more) and really make good progress. Germany is of course a much bigger country than the UK so saving 20mins or so does make a difference. Anything more than 170 and you're burning huge amounts of fuel, but the main people who do speed above that are company car owners who don't pay for the fuel themselves. The other thing is that a lot of Autobahns are still only 2 lanes - there is traffic and a ton of lorries (vastly more than the UK) so your opportunity to go fast is actually quite limited on occasion. The big , main Autobahns are 3 or 4 lanes and when not busy obviously its easier to get some speed up.

I've seen many different stats on fatality rates on Autobahns compared to UK motorways but generally it seems to be between a third and double as many. They probably have less accidents, but those that do happen are much more serious because of the speed. Car insurance (actually all insurance) is vastly more expensive in Germany.

The main thing though is you hardly see any people sitting in the wrong lanes.. if they did a) it's illegal and there are Police on the Autobahns b) you'd get driven off the road c) everyone would beep you and make you aware you are doing something wrong - German's love telling you when you've screwed up. Other things as well in terms of driving standards are much better.. EVERYONE merges in turn at road works, or if it goes from 2 to 1 lanes, if there is a queue on a motorway you are required to move to the side so emergency vehicles can come down the middle.. this again is a legal requirement and everyone does it - once again German's love rules (it's not efficiency, don't mistake the two things :-))


France and Belgium by the way with their slightly higher motorway limits (in dry weather) - Generally French drivers are ok, but they'll pull out into gaps that aren't there, will one minute do 120 the next for no reason 140. Belgiums are awful drivers.. sit in your boot when there is nowhere to go, cut you up etc and they have more traffic than we do.

Back to the UK - no way can they increase the speed limit beyond 70. Most roads are not built for it, people are too bad at driving (even a tougher test won't provide results for years / decades in the future), and too many people will just ignore all rules because UK folks hate being told what to do by anyone.
I never do more than 80 on a motorway.. i'll often sit at 75 just to make a bit more progress and get away from people mucking around in the wrong lane or lorries. What I can't stand is those doing 90> 100 because you are relying on other people complying and not doing something stupid.. and you can't do that here.

We desperately need to do something about the quality of driving on UK motorways that will have an effect quickly. It is SO poor compared to 15 years ago and compared to many other countries. And don't get me started on smart motorways.
 
Last edited:
Cameras everywhere on motorways AI to analyse footage and flag it, fine anyone for driving like a ****
Thank god my commute is at 6am and 2pm I couldn't stand doing it at peak times.

Your first car should be mandatory black box as well.
 
Last edited:
Cameras everywhere on motorways AI to analyse footage and flag it, fine anyone for driving like a ****
Thank god my commute is at 6am and 2pm I couldn't stand doing it at peak times.

Your first car should be mandatory black box as well.

The one good thing about driving in the US is no speed cameras. Just the odd parked vehicle here and there. Seen one in 4 months.
 
I'm certainly not observing the 20mph limit around our way as a blanket limit. It's the most annoying thing not knowing where 20 and 30 starts and ends as its arbitrary.

80-90 percent of people don't obey it from my experience
 
on the old A14 (A1307) near Cambridge for the longest of times there was a 40mph limit due to a flood. it was there for probably over 12 months.

Everyone ignored it. imo it should be an offence to leave temp speed limits for very limited "events" for months past any issue because it undermines any influence they may have. (a bit like crying wolf)
 
Last edited:
I think that we’ve had just one suggestion about how to improve speed limits.
Plenty of people saying they ignore them as they are fit.

I’m conscious of the potential for a person following someone driving at a speed limit of 20mph who feels that it’s too slow thinking it appropriate to overtake, which doesn’t sound very clever.

Based upon the general consensus within the thread, that to me suggests that we should scrap ALL UK speed limits, to ensure easy understanding and allow common sense to be applied by all.
Anyone fancy creating a petition?

Just incase, and to avoid cost, let’s leave the signage in place, and remove as and when that bit of the road is changed.

Thoughts?
 
I think that we’ve had just one suggestion about how to improve speed limits.
Plenty of people saying they ignore them as they are fit.

I’m conscious of the potential for a person following someone driving at a speed limit of 20mph who feels that it’s too slow thinking it appropriate to overtake, which doesn’t sound very clever.

Based upon the general consensus within the thread, that to me suggests that we should scrap ALL UK speed limits, to ensure easy understanding and allow common sense to be applied by all.
Anyone fancy creating a petition?

Just incase, and to avoid cost, let’s leave the signage in place, and remove as and when that bit of the road is changed.

Thoughts?
for me at least that is a miss representation. for the most part speed limits used to be ok. what i find grating is where, as a reaction to either high speed accidents or scallies using the road as a drag strip at night they reduce the speed limit.
I just think it is better to enforce the old speed limits rather than bring in newer reduced ones.

Add to that, and partially tongue in cheek - i would also say in areas where there are speed limits in place due to localised poor air quality, (my experience of this is the M6 but am sure there are others) as a hook for getting people into EVs they could have ICE only temporary speed limits and possibly where ICE vehicles are not allowed in the outside lane and they are limited, but EVs are allowed to stick to a normal speed and use all 3 lanes***. (enforcement of this could be simple enough with a camera system in place..... make the green emblem EV number plates law, and it is an offence for a none EV to use such plates with 3 points and a set fine.

I know i am repeating myself but if you are gonna make a strawman then i am gonna correct you :p

*** and before anyone suggests this is too confusing for people i would say if you do not have the mental processing ability to work out if you have an ICE vehicle or an EV you should not be behind the wheel of a potentially deadly weapon.

As a segue but related to road safety.... i wonder if giant billboard adverts on the side of motorways etc should not be banned..... they are designed to take eyes off the road (anyone remember the hello boys wonderbra adverts? they were surely distracting :D
 
Last edited:
Not too sure but after 15 years driving I just got my first ticket and I expect the awareness course is going to tell me why I shouldn’t speed
 
Back
Top Bottom