Why do so many monitors these days have issues?

Rroff said:
Puzzles me - you can get the pretty decent FM series in the kind of bulk they are buying for like less than 1p more per capacitor than the no name rubbish - I've even seen rubbish like Chengx or Chongx or whatever in "premium" brand consumer electronics before :| the only reason I can think of is that they want to pretty much guarantee you'll be inline for a new product in a lot less time than it would normally take the better brand caps to fail.
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Maybe internal corruption/kickbacks to procuring managers and incompetence from high ones allowing this?
 
Rroff said:
the only reason I can think of is that they want to pretty much guarantee you'll be inline for a new product in a lot less time than it would normally take the better brand caps to fail.
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The problem with that idea is that if you`ve got a faulty product, would you buy a replacement product from the same manufacurer ?

And not only that, would you buy any other products from the manufacturer of the item that failed on you ?
 
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Dervious said:
The problem with that idea is that if you`ve got a faulty product, would you buy a replacement product from the same manufacurer ?

And not only that, would you buy any other products from the manufacturer of the item that failed on you ?
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There is always that aspect - but seems many people blindly just buy whatever is recommended, popular at the time, etc. (It isn't a concept I really hold much stock in but does beg the question sometimes when you look at what components are used versus the options).
 
I suspect the clever manufacturers try to balance out manufacturing costs and reliability in order to try to maximise profits. If they cut costs too much, they end up losing (money and customers). If they get it right, they provide enough reliabilty to keep customers happy, and profits high (both through repeat custom and lower warranty claims).
 
Nevakonaza said:
i know its unrelated also but one of my recent TP-Link powelines died,i opened it up to see what had happened and as i expected a blown capacitor..the capacitor was an el-chepo no brand..WHY,You can get a FK series Panasonic brand for 34p.
Not exactly breaking the bank for multi million pound companies.
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If TP-Link Powerline adapters were dying left, right and centre, then you would have good reason to question why they are using cheap capacitors. The fact is, in my experience anyway, that TP-Link Powerline adapters are quite reliable (I`ve supplied and installed a fair few, and I haven't had one fail yet, touch wood). The reason they are using cheaper capacitors, and saving a few pence per adapter, is that they make and sell lots (millions ?) of adapters, and millions of pennies saved adds up to lots of pounds, dollars, yen or whatever.
 
I own some Ag Neovo Monitors some are standard 19" others are 19" wide. I run them on Ergotron monitor stands 3 at a time. Those 19" wide screens might sound small but you add 3 together and see the amount of real estate you have.

Now these monitors are glass fronted and they use to retail for around £400 each, they are really heavy dispite being LCD.

Don't ask why but I own 11 of them (yes 11) I picked the last 6 up from a video production company that no longer wanted them on the cheap.

Out of those 11 monitors I have 1 dead pixel, the other thing is the picture quality is higher then most average monitors today due to the glass thats fitted over them.

Anyway it's a question of quality these monitors were built as professional units with exceptional quality, when they were originally made they were double the cost of anything else, because of this years later they still work!
 
Dervious said:
If TP-Link Powerline adapters were dying left, right and centre, then you would have good reason to question why they are using cheap capacitors. The fact is, in my experience anyway, that TP-Link Powerline adapters are quite reliable (I`ve supplied and installed a fair few, and I haven't had one fail yet, touch wood). The reason they are using cheaper capacitors, and saving a few pence per adapter, is that they make and sell lots (millions ?) of adapters, and millions of pennies saved adds up to lots of pounds, dollars, yen or whatever.
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All three of mine bought at the same time (two passthrough, one standard) failed within a few months of each other. TP-Link replaced them all under warranty but it still cost me money for shipping on each occasion so I'll be looking at other brands next time.
 
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Things are generally getting more expensive but more cheaply made :/

The older style 1080, 144hz monitors are usually spotless (like my AOC g-sync one is). But the higher end ones seem to have loads of issues. I guess the profit margins get smaller with the more expensive stuff so they skip on QC. Everyone I know who has bought a ROG Swift for example has had to RMA it, including myself.
 
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JanxSpirit said:
The worst-case raw measurement for the M270HVN02.3 AMVA+ panel used in the EW2750ZL is 9ms. Measuring by the same standards typically used for IPS and TN panels it's 4ms.
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Maybe (can't find detailed transition time graphs for it), but that VA panel is 1920x1080 at 27 inches? This is just 82 ppi!
As I mentioned - they able to perfect just one aspect, but at the high cost of something else. It maybe appropriate for budget segment, but no in the premium segment.
 
Yeah I always dread getting a new monitor. Got my benq last year and went through 3 before getting a good one. And I considered that good. Luckily I won't need to get another for at least a few years now.

1st had dead fly behind panel
2nd had purple hue at top left
3rd was perfect!

Backlight and pixels were perfect on all 3 examples though!

The dell I had before took around 6 units. Most for having large clusters of stuck pixels. Hopefully things would have changed by next time. Whatever you do always go with somewhere that has great CS even paying extra if you have to. And don't get excited about your new monitor coming. It's usually just the start of the quest to find a new screen lol
 
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RidingTheFlow said:
As I mentioned - they able to perfect just one aspect, but at the high cost of something else. It maybe appropriate for budget segment, but no in the premium segment.
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The premium segment is a whole other ballgame, and that's not where the major sales are for any of the widely popular monitor manufacturers. AUO are clearly attempting to cater for the mass market, and they're doing an excellent job of it too.

4K is coming later this year I believe, or early next. Bearing in mind that only a tiny percentage of the market want anything beyond 2K at the moment, I think they've made the right decision to optimise at 1K and 2K before translating that technology to 4K and possibly beyond.

I think it's far more than just one aspect when you consider that you're also given near-zero backlight bleed as well as between 3 and 4 times the native contrast ratio allowing for naturally saturated colours at almost any luminance level due to very low saturation washout on dark scenes.

That's something you'll never get with IPS or TN and is the first giveaway if you compare them side-by-side with AMVA+. Both IPS and TN look as though you're viewing through a thick fog with any colours at the darker end of the palette appearing to almost fade to monochrome by comparison.

Manufacturers can 'cheat' their way around it for IPS and TN with on-the-fly image enhancements including content-adaptive dynamic contrast and adaptive saturation techniques, but it's just not the same as having a panel do it natively. Achieving it transparently costs a small fortune so rules out being able to keep up on a price-for-price basis.

I'm not saying that all IPS or TN monitors are totally crap, but they are by comparison in the most important ways that matter to me. I enjoy being able to see a reasonably close approximation of what I'm meant to be looking at. The closer that is, the happier I am, especially if it doesn't cost silly money to achieve it.
 
Well, I'd believe it when I actually see VA panels which both have top-end resolution and response times (by this time we may as well have more OLED models). Not much point speculating about it now.
 
All this QA agony is exactly why I pushed the boat out and went over budget with my last monitor purchase. I can honestly say that I'm glad I spent £200 more than intended when I bought my NEC screen. They were stupidly cheap given what you got for the money back then - no such luck now!

I was hoping advances in tech and mass production techniques would have delivered better quality for much less cash but nevemind. :(

Dead pixels on a new, expensive monitor would drive me nuts. Can you not still return the monitor under DSR anyway? Surely that over-rules any vendor policy?

I seem to remember some companies offering a no dead pixel guarantee some time back for a small premium but that now appears to be rare - probably because of the aforementioned rubbish QA and it being a common issue.

I'm not sure OLED will be the holy grail, BTW. Just look at the amount of burn-in you can see on phone OLED screens! :eek:
 
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Narj said:
Dead pixels on a new, expensive monitor would drive me nuts. Can you not still return the monitor under DSR anyway? Surely that over-rules any vendor policy?
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Of course you can return it, and people do it all the time. But its waste of time (and sometimes, also shipping money since vendor refuses to qualify it as a "defect" - and try to ship & properly insure very heavy & expensive monitor).
So they still try to make you accept it by inconveniencing you one way or another - you can see it from the start if you just ask vendors in advance -"can you please make sure from the start I don't receive screen with defective pixels for that kind of price?" -"oh sorry sir we can't do that, we refer you to manufacturers policy on dead pixels", -"can you ensure I don't get a screen with backlight bleed?" -"sorry sir, some amount of backlight bleed is to be expected with this model".

Narj said:
I'm not sure OLED will be the holy grail, BTW. Just look at the amount of burn-in you can see on phone OLED screens! :eek:
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No doubt for lot of people it will be the holy grail. Certainly not for me though, had enough with Samsung AMOLEDs and certainly not fancying any screen tech where pixels wear down at individual rates.
 
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First and foremost, people are greedy, companies are the worst. They have ways to maximise profits by cutting costs. They will be aware how poor they are at times, but the hit on replacing these will be nothing compared to the money savings they are making by throwing them out the door in the state some of them are in.
 
LambChop said:
First and foremost, people are greedy, companies are the worst. They have ways to maximise profits by cutting costs. They will be aware how poor they are at times, but the hit on replacing these will be nothing compared to the money savings they are making by throwing them out the door in the state some of them are in.
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It's the same with TVs sometimes. When I bought a new TV, the amount of halo effect in dark scenes drove me nuts. Returned for another model TV which was even worse with uniformity thanks to backlighting. Gave up and ended up spending a small fortune on a plasma P55VT65B instead. Thank God for John Lewis.

That's how fussy I am. I like Steam Link gaming on my TV but the compression means that games that are inherently dark suffer with colour banding, even on top settings. :(
 
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I am not sure things are getting worse. It's just the numbers been sold have increased and the number of people on forums like this have skyrocketed.

And people mainly post when they have an issue or to complain.

So combine more people posting with more products been sold and the number of complaints will also go up, making things look worse then they really are.
 
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