Why do you train? [gym rats thread]

Jeffstar said:
Absolutely. Begrudgingly, some have admitted that they "don't mind" if a better body brings more female attention. I think they're just playing that part down tbh :p
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MTA99 said:
Thanks but I'm only passing on concepts that I've learned from others with much more knowledge in this area. At first I wasn't comfortable with the ideas I've tried to convey over the last few posts, which is why I can empathise with those who are a little reserved :)
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I'm comfortable with the idea that I'm bodybuilding to get female attention (not very successfully :o) and that it is primarily subconcious which is why I've tried to explain what I thought MTA99 meant above. However while I can accept the idea I'm not sure how much of a motivation it is or that I'd entirely agree with the summary. A lot of motivations could be subconcious but the problem is attempting to prove it, particularly where people can rationalise their actions with an overlying and more 'acceptable' motive.
 
particularly where people can rationalise their actions with an overlying and more 'acceptable' motive.
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Especially those who might be training for their health or for the health benefits alone ;)
 
MTA99 said:
....and that's exactly what Freud would expect you to say :p
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TBH m8 you are fighting a loosing battle. Simple fact is most people have no control whatsoever over anything they do. They simply have the perception of control that their mind affords them. Otherwise smoking and other such activities would not be addictive. When people are addicted they cant stop doing something even though their concious brain wishes to. Even sometimes when the concious brain knows it will die as a result. This is the power of addiction. And at a base level we are all 'addicted' to our more basic desires.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
TBH m8 you are fighting a loosing battle. Simple fact is most people have no control whatsoever over anything they do.
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I find this statement confusing.

In my mind either everyone has control over what they do or nobody does. I don't see how some people could have free will whilst others don't.

But regardless it still doesn't prove they're doing it for sex/women.
 
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KittensCake said:
I find this statement confusing.

In my mind either everyone has control over what they do or nobody does. I don't see how some people could have free will whilst others don't.

But regardless it still doesn't prove they're doing it for sex/women.
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Having control over what you do and understanding why you do it can be something rather different. If human nature tells you to procreate but you decide to remain celibate then you have the urges but you are denying them - it your choice and free will but your subconcious is fuelling your desires regardless of your concious choice. Is that healthy or could it perhaps be better to channel your natural urges to achieve a better overall result?
 
What? I still don't see what you're getting at. He said 'most' people have no control over what they do, and earlier he implied that everyone is ruled by their basic instincts, but you're saying that you can over-ride your basic instincts with your conscious thought. So what does that mean? You're saying people that decide to act upon their basic instincts rather than deny them have no control over what they do? Or what? That doesn't make sense to me.
 
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What he is referring to is the stuff that is ingrained into us; men look for women who will bear children and be good mothers, women look for men who will look after them and protect them and the children. Like it or not, that is ingrained into our subconcious. So effectively we are subconciously making ourselves look like better mates and providers.
 
I'm not saying that you have no control over your actions, I'm saying you might have no control over your motivations. Remember I'm not taking the position of agreeing with MTA99, Jeffstar or Ultra_Extreme unconditionally, I'm differentiating between action and motivation/subconcious desires.
 
Morba said:
What he is referring to is the stuff that is ingrained into us; men look for women who will bear children and be good mothers, women look for men who will look after them and protect them and the children. Like it or not, that is ingrained into our subconcious. So effectively we are subconciously making ourselves look like better mates and providers.
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Yes, so essentially that means nobody has control over what they do and why they do it, which he implied earlier in the thread saying everyone is ruled by their basic instincts, but then he said 'most' people have no control over what they do. That's what confused me. What exactly does that mean? Is he saying that some people can seperate their thoughts and actions from their basic instincts? Or over-ride their insincts with intelligent thought like semiprowaster claims? If that's what he's saying that means people could bodybuild for reasons other than the instinct to find a mate and procreate, which is what he and Jeffstar were disagreeing with earlier in the thread.
 
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Wanna get really deep into the free choice/pre selected path debate you could always consider this -

All decisions are observed in hindsight that is all decisions made have already happened and cannoth be changed. Thus everything you do has to be the way it is simply because that IS the way it happened. With all known variables available it would be entirely possible to predict with 100% accuracy the entire patch of an individual. No decision you ever make is truly a choice because you will always make the same decision unless you had fore-knowledge of a reason not to. However if you had this knowledge you would make the opposite choice initially meaning your decision was always inevitable.

This is the stuff that keeps me up nights lol
 
This thread could now take a very complicated turn and leave many of us out of our depth.....most notably ME! :)

Freud described 3 parts of the mind; the Id, the Ego and the Super Ego. I don't understand how each of these parts are "formed" but I (think I) understand how each behaves.

The Id is the animal in you. Its the base desires and urges.

The Super Ego is the opposite. Its the part that has morals and social responsibility.

The Ego is the bit that tries to keep the Id and Super Ego happy, its the conscious part and its an interface to the real world. As you can imagine its a tough job, the Id wanting to be all "alpha" (I've been trying so hard to avoid using that term ;)), while the Super Ego wants to be more reasonable. If the Id is so powerful (as i've been arguing for the past couple of pages) why aren't we all running round kicking the crap out of each other and fathering many children? The Ego uses defence mechanisms to keep both the Id and Super Ego happy. As SPW has mentioned "rationalisation" is one such mechanism. The Id wants to be attractive to the opposite sex (so it/I can find a mate) but the super ego finds that a little vulgar (vanity isn't acceptable) so the ego rationalises the Id's desires in such a way that its acceptable to the super ego ie. "I train because I want to be healthier" which is an acceptable concept to the super ego while the Id sees an improvement in attractiveness.

If I've misinterpreted any of that please correct me and of course there's an outside chance that Freud was talking rubbish....but that would just be him intellectualising ;)

I'll let UE explain himself in terms of Id and Ego :p

Edit: Seems he was thinking differently!
 
good post m8, yeah i was off on a tangent :D good explaination though, hadnt thought of using freud. Psychology is a complex thing, i find it fascinating, whats ever more facinating is the lack of comprehension most people have towards it. As creatures we understand so little about ourselves despite the gift of subjective thought. It's quite remarkable.
 
Guys, this could get very interesting but very off topic (in a sense). How about someone start a decent thread separately so that this can be kept in one place? It might encourage some other people (who wouldnt normally look in this thread) to join in :]
 
My Id finds manly photos pleasing but my Super Ego is not sure its socially acceptable. This is my ego intellectualising! :eek: ;) :D
 
Yeah i agree, i stay out of SC for a reason!

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BTW, Killa Ken has made a lot of his squatting.

Would Killa Ken care to give us a pic of his legs or if he has posted already, link us to the post?
 
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