Why does everyone hate vista!!

Lysander said:
Were there any immense differences between Win2k and XP pre SP1?

I think that XP with SP2 is a rock-solid, very reliable platform but before SP1 I bet people were saying the exact same thing.

That's why a lot of people shouldn't vote - so fickle :p
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XP was perfectly fine before any service packs actually. SP1 only included all the updates up to the date of its release didn't it? SP2 was a bigger release, introducing the new Windows firewall.

XP was not a successor to Windows 2000, in the same way that Vista is a successor to XP, because 2000 was never a consumer OS. XP was essentially a consumer version of 2000, with a few added extras like themes, prefetch and cleartype etc.
 
^ security for one duh lol, if it was as fine as you say, then why wouldnt have bothered with any sp's
 
bikes said:
Now thats got to be the funnyist thing Ive heard for ages lmao
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:confused: XP RTM was fine. Perfectly stable and reliable OS. Yes it had a less than stellar security track record but that is beside the point. It's not like hot fixes didn't exist back then. If you installed the patches like you were told to then Blaster, Sasser etc wouldn't have affected you at all. The Blaster worm was spreading 2 weeks after the hot fix came out - that is plenty of time. Of course back then the security landscape was completely different - "Automatic Updates" were still laughed upon and people generally didn't check in with Windows Update for months at a time.
 
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Define support? Do you think MS will make security patches for XP Pro, but not allow them to work on Home or Media Centre? No chance.
 
The link is actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP#End_of_Support

End of Support

Support for Windows XP Service Pack 2 will end four years after its general availability. The general availability of Windows XP is for a period of 12 months after the official launch of Windows Vista. Windows XP Licenses will be available for System Builders for 24 months following the official launch of Windows Vista. Windows XP without Service Pack 2 are no longer supported and Microsoft has already withdrawn the support for Windows XP Service Pack 1 on September 30, 2004 and Windows XP Service Pack 1a on October 10, 2006
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That means support ends five years from now - i.e. in 2012.
 
dirtydog said:
Didn't MS officially announce that they would supply XP patches/updates for Home and Media Centre, as well as Pro?
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Can I just add that i'm not 100% sure what they meant, I just brought it up.

It does seem silly to stop patches and hotfixes for Home, and not for Pro though, so i'm guessing it means phone support etc. and that kind of thing.
 
Yeah I think it's something like that. I tried to find clear and unambiguous info on MS's website but without success.

I'm not saying that they will produce updates/patches for XP forever, but it seems that they may well last until Vista's successor comes out :)

I believe that XP is the first Microsoft OS which is both consumer and business oriented; so it makes sense that support should last for some time yet. I am sure many businesses will be using XP for years to come, just as many are still using 2000 or even 9x/NT (god forbid).
 
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megatron said:
That is news to me.

That is the biggest reason to boycott ( I.E. dont buy or use) Vista, it is exactly why the EU fined M$ the first time.

Even the most dim-witted noob must see that if they integrate dx10 into the OS then they are trying to force gamers who would otherwise shunned Vista into buying it? In any other context this would probably be highly illegal.

M$ are treating all PCs as their "consoles", i.e. force u to buy their "console" (i.e. Vista), to play games which u cant on other "consoles"; but the games are not made by M$ and M$ has no contract with the games deveolpers. It is just one monumental SCAM!
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I don't see how DX10 can't be made to work on another system. At the end of the day, its just a bunch of code amongst a lot of other code. Just take out the bits you need and you're done.

But doing that, you're doing the same as DX9, you're running a graphics system over the top of an operating system, so its like running three programs at the same time. 1) The OS. 2) DirectX. 3) The game.

With Vista, DirectX is integrated into the operating system, so those two are linked and the game basically runs on its own, without the other two. The OS becomes the game, if you know what I mean.

I think its a good idea for future game development. Without it, I don't think we'd have seen such a big jump in graphical detail and interaction as you see with the likes of Crysis.

But thats just me. I'm sure at some point down the road you'll see a DX10 for such-and-such operating system, but it'll be nowhere near as effective as running it on Vista. It'll be more like an emulator.

Just as a side note. You're already buying their 'consoles' by using WinXP, so whats the difference in upgrading to Vista?

-- The Unusual Suspect
 
I've explained the reason why DX10 is tied to Vista many times on this forum.

I don't see why gamers are shunning Vista. It is a gamer's OS - more so than XP ever was. Just bloody buy it and stop moaning is what I say.
 
NathanE said:
I've explained the reason why DX10 is tied to Vista many times on this forum.

I don't see why gamers are shunning Vista. It is a gamer's OS - more so than XP ever was. Just bloody buy it and stop moaning is what I say.
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Fair enough but for myself, who uses my computer mostly for web browsing, p2p and watching movies, I daresay you'd agree that XP is perfectly adequate.
 
Hickin said:
Well not everyone :p but everytime im go to read reviews on forums about Vista and how people are getting on, i keeps seeing posts "i have a mac i dont care! or i use linux well better! i mean whats the deal!! :confused:

Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me!!
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I stuck with Win2kSP4 because XP didn't offer me anything Win2k didn't, the only thing different was eye candy and the brilliant "have to ring up MS to activate feature".

I anticipated vista becuase after using 2k for so long you feel it's time for a change and what better upgrade than win2k to Vista? surely you would have it do things win2k can't...

Well not really. Hopefully the only thing it might be able to do is utilize dual core efficiently but here's a few reasons why I won't be going to Vista:

DRM - I'm sorry but I own my CDRW and I will copy what I like whether I choose to copy legally or illegally is a choice I will make for myself not MS, and if I want to make backups of media I own I can't becuase there could be this protection crap on it, what's the point of having a CDRW?

HDCP - More copy protection crap, give me a break.

Price - £200 for a retail copy full install...Ubuntu here I come! That's going to cost me a whopping £0.00 and it does more than windows can offer being open source, albeit less supported on a lot of commerical software.

Licensing - Hi we will gladly sell you an OEM copy for less than half the price of retail, we just won't let you upgrade your motherboard or format your hardrive. Again I own my pc not Microsoft I will upgrade what I like. It isn't my fault MS can't find another way to stop piracy that I should suffer with not being able to change my own pc.

There's more like all this UAC rubbish that asks you if you want to perform an operation a dozen or so times each time you double click something...Yes I do wan't to do it because I just double clicked it!? It isn't real authenticiation anyway it's not like on a unix system where you need to change to SU to perform system wide changes, at least when I am a SU or Admin on linux I do what I like unlike windows where it treats the admin like a baby.

Win2k was the last greatest OS Microsoft ever released and the way they are going with the above I can't see myself ever moving away from 2k but more so now Linux.
 
JPL said:

While user’s rights will be trammeled by the DRM and Treacherous Computing features of Vista, the collatoral damage will be environment as users are forced to abandon perfectly good hardware to meet the new requirements of Vista........generating tons of e-waste.'
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Anyone who's looked at the steam survey will know that's no bad thing from a gamers perspective. The more people on a decent system the less chance of technology like (SSe2) being held back to suit the lowest common denominator.
 
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