Why does my paste keep failing on my r9 290

Phil2008 · 12 Nov 2019 at 21:20

Well that hasn't worked, I applied the Grizzly paste twice today,, once onto gpu and heatsink and once just on the the gpu. Both times were shockly bad, temps were 90+ running furmark and they should be in the high 70s, low 80s.

So tomorrow I'll go back to the artic silver 5 and try it on the gpu and heatsink like Ive done with the grizzly paste today.

I really dont know whats going wrong, because when I redo the paste, it should start off in the high 70s, low 80 and then increase over the weeks and months? I think the heatsink isnt making contact with the gpu properly, but the screws wont go any tighter?

Phil2008 · 14 Nov 2019 at 11:30

3rd time lucky..... I have use the good old Arctic Silver 5 this time, spreaded it on both the gpu and heatsink, but this time I havent done the screws as tight as possible.. Hey presto the temps are sitting at 78c running furmark. So see now if the temps stay put or if they increase over time again.

b00merang69 · 14 Nov 2019 at 14:49

BTW do not run those apps, modern GPU simply throttle to save themselves.

You can run similar but official in MSI Afterburner.

gpuerrilla · 14 Nov 2019 at 16:19

I still have tube of AS5 going, seems to work for me.

Phil2008 · 14 Nov 2019 at 18:10

b00merang69 said:
BTW do not run those apps, modern GPU simply throttle to save themselves.

You can run similar but official in MSI Afterburner.

My gpu throttles back when it gets to 94c

b00merang69 · 14 Nov 2019 at 20:34

All GPU's throttle back as soon as they detect FurMark and the likes of so its not a very good test today

This was done a good few years back intentionally by AMD and Nvidia.

Grandmaster Fap! · 14 Nov 2019 at 20:46

Phil2008 said:
3rd time lucky..... I have use the good old Arctic Silver 5 this time, spreaded it on both the gpu and heatsink, but this time I havent done the screws as tight as possible.. Hey presto the temps are sitting at 78c running furmark. So see now if the temps stay put or if they increase over time again.

Screw Furmark, what are you getting in general use?

Phil2008 · 14 Nov 2019 at 22:53

Furmark is handy for me because I know that game temps should be roughly 10-15c lower then furmark and you know if theres a problem with your gfx card within a few mins running furmark. I have been using it for yrs, to get the best possible temps from my cards.

Threepwood · 14 Nov 2019 at 22:55

I love furmark, its a great testing tool.

Phil2008 · 14 Nov 2019 at 23:07

Well I give up,, the low temps hasnt lasted a day,, the card is throttling back at 94c running furmark now. So games will be ruuning in the 80's instead of the 60s. I guess I will have to put up with it :mad:

Admetos · 15 Nov 2019 at 00:45

I have a theory. Are you loading the graphics card before the paste has cured? What I personally do is apply paste, but I won't load the CPU/GPU for at least 24 hours. I will run the computer in that time, but not load it to limits like your doing.

Rroff · 15 Nov 2019 at 01:08

JasonM said:
I have a theory. Are you loading the graphics card before the paste has cured? What I personally do is apply paste, but I won't load the CPU/GPU for at least 24 hours. I will run the computer in that time, but not load it to limits like your doing.

Some other pastes might behave like that but with AS5 it shouldn't matter - it supposedly even benefits from heat cycles.

Personally I'd use MX-2 or MX-4 over AS5 for a GPU though.

Phil2008 · 15 Nov 2019 at 01:34

JasonM said:
I have a theory. Are you loading the graphics card before the paste has cured? What I personally do is apply paste, but I won't load the CPU/GPU for at least 24 hours. I will run the computer in that time, but not load it to limits like your doing.

I was thinking that and if I didnt need help from other people, I would keep on fighting and try to work out what's wrong but have to make it worth it with people having to help me.

I really dont know what else would make things better.. I have tried putting the paste on both the heatsink and gpu, putting the paste on just the gpu and tried with the AS5 and the Grizzly paste. Im out of ideas?

b00merang69 · 15 Nov 2019 at 02:20

Nail varnish or liquid electrical tape the SMD's and Liquid Metal and stop running FurMark its pointless now for reason I gave above, run Heaven and Valley before and after the change over.

I got 10C drop on my Titan Xp, before that no matter what TIM I used it was near same as stock results.

Phil2008 · 15 Nov 2019 at 03:36

Probably not how it works but, if the temps can go up like that, they can go down like that aswel. Because its not like the paste has gone anywhere is it?........ Wishful thinking.

Admetos · 15 Nov 2019 at 14:09

Phil2008 said:
Im out of ideas?

IC Diamond 24. I've been using this paste maybe 8 years now, never once had to change it.

I'm a software engineer I have computers running AI (my own software), these often run 24/7 back testing data, everything I have is on IC Diamond. My oldest computer is an i7 3770k, I don't even consider changing the past, IC Diamond is fit and forget.

I'm the guy that runs Quadro cards, Western Digital Enterprise drives, Draytek router, tells people to use Seasonic PSU's. I may be the only person in this thread telling you to run IC Diamond but i'm so confident in that product.

b00merang69 · 15 Nov 2019 at 14:25

IC Diamond was a con marketed as the "Second Coming", it was just OK but hard to spread and the REP's for it disappeared after giving out free samples both here and one on EVGA forum as he was banned).

It also scratches the IHS badly (there was/is a thread here about that).

Armageus · 15 Nov 2019 at 14:30

With the amount of times you've had the cooler on and off that GPU, I'd suspect the springs/fittings of the cooler to be worn and not making great contact.

Something is going wrong, as I've never had issues with any of the devices I've replaced thermal paste on.

I've done a PS4, several PS3s, R9 380X, 270X, 7950, 260X, 7850 etc as well as CPUs. Small blob of MX2, and then let the cooler pressure spread it - never had an issue. Never had pump-out, never had noticeably worse temperatures, and never had an issue with MX2 longevity.

Admetos · 15 Nov 2019 at 14:43

b00merang69 said:
IC Diamond was a con marketed as the "Second Coming", it was just OK but hard to spread and the REP's for it disappeared after giving out free samples both here and one on EVGA forum was banned).

It also scratches the IHS badly (there was/is a thread here about that).

Yes I did hear about the REP issue. It's not hard to spread, it's just a blob in center of CPU/GPU then force of cooler spreads it.

Regarding the performance the paste is brilliant however, it gives really good temps, but more important it does not go off, i'm going from my experience only here. IC Diamond welds itself on almost. I'm removed a cooler before and undoing the screws the cooler is still fixed, that's how strong the IC Diamond sets. To unset the IC Diamond you have to twist the cooler to break the paste.

Re the IHS being scratched. I've noticed it can fade the ink/print that's written on the CPU, but this is only a concern for someone that's re-selling the CPU. In the case of the OP this makes no difference once the heatsink is re-fitted.

b00merang69 · 15 Nov 2019 at 15:35

Yes I should have said hard to work with (getting out tube and off the nozzle) as you are correct they insisted on a blob and X amount of pressure (going into really tech details on this) to spread it.

I find all the so called higher end TIM's hard to work with as they are very dry coming out tube but no doubt that is how they can preform better IF you can apply it well.

AS5 is easy to spread/blob and easy to remove and from my use not that far behind others esp on a GPU.