Why don’t nVidia release the Titan first?

[McGraw]

Some people might think sod it and buy it without waiting for the 80 series.

Surely most people who buy 80 then Titan sell the 80 anyway?

Maybe there is a genuine reason they wait?

 

[andybird123]

Some people might think sod it and buy it without waiting for the 80 series.

Surely most people who buy 80 then Titan sell the 80 anyway?

Maybe there is a genuine reason they wait?

Some people buy every new "fastest" card, so they actually sell more units by releasing the xx80 first. However how things are currently they can release anything and it will sell out in minutes. Plus they did just release a new Titan for $3000

 

[Radox-0]

As mentioned, double sales, or even triple sales if they release a cut down Titan, then a full fat titan down the line

Either way, doubt its an issue for Nvidia really if say a buyer sells there xx80 card to pickup a Titan. Likely the buyer of the xx80 card would have picked up the next step down or something in the absence of a second hand GPU, but the value of the Titan card sold to the seller of the xx80 card outweighs any loss on Nvidia's part, more so with the Titan's only being direct sales now.

 

[Kaapstad]

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[Rroff]

Titan production has mostly been related to professional cards or other markets, etc. also when on a new node the first few months yields are often less than ideal and take awhile to ramp up - one little defect can mean you have to write off an entire larger core while you might still get say 3 working smaller cores. Making a smaller Titan core will somewhat tie their hands going forward though eventually they can do a lineup refresh.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Due to manufacturing costs and other multitude of reasons, we might not see a TITAN this gen besides the TITAN V. It's logical that people don't count Titan V unless you're Kaap who's apparently a radiologist or something. Or not, just a bit of a plum x

 

[LoadsaMoney]

If they released the Titan first, then they wouldn't have anyone buying the lesser 70/80/Ti cards, then up/sidegrading to a Titan when it dropped, as everyone would just buy the Titan straight off the bat, so they'd miss out on all those other card sales.

 

[McGraw]

I’m still not totally convinced. The Titan buyer’s reject card would just stop someone having to buy an 80 series brand new.

All the cards would just trickle down surely?

 

[McGraw]

Titan production has mostly been related to professional cards or other markets, etc. also when on a new node the first few months yields are often less than ideal and take awhile to ramp up - one little defect can mean you have to write off an entire larger core while you might still get say 3 working smaller cores. Making a smaller Titan core will somewhat tie their hands going forward though eventually they can do a lineup refresh.

This makes sense to me.

 

[lowdog]

Why don’t nVidia release the Titan first?..........it's called "milk that cow" terminology for leach like companies such as NVidia

 

[Kaapstad]

Why don’t nVidia release the Titan first?..........it's called "milk that cow" terminology for leach like companies such as NVidia

The Titan V is out before any Volta gaming cards

 

[Geck0]

These cows are not going to milk themselves.

 

[HazardO]

IIRC Titans are leftover silicon from Nvidia's enterprise compute cards, they only release them when they have built up enough spare silicon stock (presumably seconds). They don't compete with the GTXs as they're typically in a completely different pricing segment.

 

[andybird123]

IIRC Titans are leftover silicon from Nvidia's enterprise compute cards, they only release them when they have built up enough spare silicon stock (presumably seconds). They don't compete with the GTXs as they're typically in a completely different pricing segment.

Thats typically not true, all of the previous titans have been the same chip as the equivalent xx80ti, the one exception is the new titan v

 

[subbytna]

IIRC Titans are leftover silicon from Nvidia's enterprise compute cards, they only release them when they have built up enough spare silicon stock (presumably seconds). They don't compete with the GTXs as they're typically in a completely different pricing segment.

**80Ti's are historically slightly cut down Titans chips but clocked a lot faster to get similar, or slightly faster, performance at a cheaper price.

 

[spoffle]

The people who would buy the Titan tier card will buy the X80 card first because they can't wait. NVidia does this to double dip on purchases. Those same people will then go and buy a Titan when it comes out because it offers an "upgrade."

 

[spoffle]

Thats typically not true, all of the previous titans have been the same chip as the equivalent xx80ti, the one exception is the new titan v

It actually is true. The original titan, the GK110 was originally developed and used in CRAY's Titan Super Computer. The cards it was used in were Tesla K20s in November 2012.

The GK110 wasn't available in a consumer graphics card until 6 months later in the form of a GTX 780, which was a salvage peice from the full 2880 core GK110.

Even the original Titan was a salvage peice, as it wasn't until the 780Ti that the fully enabled GK110 was available.

 

[Rroff]

Thats typically not true, all of the previous titans have been the same chip as the equivalent xx80ti, the one exception is the new titan v

Not sure on the Titan Maxwell but the rest have all been born from nVidia's products in professional/super computer markets.

 

[andybird123]

Not sure on the Titan Maxwell but the rest have all been born from nVidia's products in professional/super computer markets.

I meant as in the same chip is also usually used in the GTX ti versions as well, so "they dont compete with GTX's"... how can they not when they are the same chip

Nvidia have always offered their largest chips to professional users first when yields are lower and they can charge thousands per chip, its not accurate to say that titan cores are not used in GTX cards.

 

[naefeart]

The people who would buy the Titan tier card will buy the X80 card first because they can't wait. NVidia does this to double dip on purchases. Those same people will then go and buy a Titan when it comes out because it offers an "upgrade."

Not true. I bought my Titan because I realised it was only £50 more expensive than the 80Ti