why go vista? i am un convinced

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vista just seems to me like a glorified and better looking version of XP. Its just bloated. For MS bigger hdd's means slacker programmers. Everything is getting bigger (768mb gpu's, 1tb hdd's as standard) and so is the software packages.
So in the end nothing changes really.

I wount be upgrading yet, atleast not in the next 6 months. Xp does everything i need. Maybe if i built a new rig then i would go vista but im happy with my prescott @ 3.8Ghz
 
seriously anyone even considering buying vista is crazy. it’s true, its bloatware with hundreds of useless features and functions except directx 10 which microsoft unfairly restricted only to vista but trust it's not worth it, don't buy into this crap windows vista
 
since people are discussing vista's up button

in explorer, if you press F6, does it change the address bar to editable text? (this is how i always navigate in explorer)

can't remember how it behaved when i tested vista..
 
NathanE said:
Jeez, you're still sore about that? :p Can't you use the new address bar in Vista to just navigate back to the parent folder that you want?
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Of course I am sore, it is a basic piece of functionality which MS have removed, making Vista as annoying to use as OS X in that respect. The fact that I can use an alternative and convoluted method to reach the same destination is neither here nor there :)
 
Scottland said:
But I do agree that more people will become convinced of Vista as time goes by...
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Convinced ? or forced at gunpoint?

Still using 2K at work and find it to be exceptionally stable and reliable, admittedly I dont use it for games, but it still gets a hammering from the amount of apps I run at the same time.

However we will be forced sooner than others to update, even though officially support for Win2K doesnt end until 2010, yet IE7 is already XP only so if we want a secure web browser we have to update or switch to 3rd party browser which will be a nightmare to control with policies....great thanks MS...!

So do we go to XP? Seems silly when Vista is just coming out doesnt it, so maybe we will go to Vista.... but wait whats this:

# 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1.
# 1 GB of system memory.
# Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver, 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)2, Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel.
# 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
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The recomended spec says I need PC's with 1Gb of RAM and a 128Mb GFX card in each machine... wtf for? All I want my staff to do is make word docs, run sage, email etc, why all of a sudden do I need high end (well mid range) PC's to do this on?

It's a con from beginning to end...it's another case of the large coporation's thinking only of share holders and the $ to be made.

Yes I know that's life.. get used to it... stop being a miserable whining git....just cos thats how things are though doesnt make it right!
 
The_KiD said:
The recomended spec says I need PC's with 1Gb of RAM and a 128Mb GFX card in each machine... wtf for? All I want my staff to do is make word docs, run sage, email etc, why all of a sudden do I need high end (well mid range) PC's to do this on?
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Ya and when you have 2gb installed it takes up almost 600mb straight away. It's pretty good for a new home OS but I'd deffo say stick with XP for std office machines for now. There's no way I'm upgrading my work PC with it, running SQL, IIS, 2x VS2005, FF, IE etc I'm already in to page file on XP with 1gb ram. That would be totally impossible to do with Vista installed unless almost all the features where turned off (making it pointless?)

After using it for almost a month now at home, there's pretty much nothing in it that makes it an "essential" upgrade from XP. DX10 would be the main one but that won't impact gamers for a while yet. Personally I'd say that it's not worth paying the full retail price for, I mean it's just an OS, you know the software that just allows you to run all of your proper games and apps while not getting in the way ;)
 
Hi there

You need Vista for DX10.

So anybody interested in games coming out later this year and those who have 8800's and are looking to buy ATI's R600 then Vista is pretty much a requirement.
 
If you're a PC gamer then eventually you will need Vista, as no doubt there will be Vista only games perhaps not soon but not that long away I reckon.

Besides I need to buy a copy of windows *cough* and Vista will be the one, but which one? 32 or 64bit? Anyone know of any benefits yet from a 64bit OS?
 
Plodicus said:
Anyone know of any benefits yet from a 64bit OS?
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The ability to address more Ram is one of the most obvious ones I can think of but there may well be others. :)

cubepusher - that is a very good reason but it is still fairly specialised so I'm not sure that it applies widely just yet. I'll no doubt eventually get Vista when I build a new PC but I don't see the huge rush, Halo 3 being a DX10 exclusive is about as far from an incentive as it is possible to get for me since I just can't get on with the Halo series, quite pretty but gameplay-wise it is nothing special as far as I'm concerned. I also can't see most other companies that aren't Microsoft owned as being likely to cut off so much of their potential market to make DX10 only games yet. I may well be wrong but I might just persevere with XP for a bit longer anyway. :)
 
Plodicus said:
If you're a PC gamer then eventually you will need Vista, as no doubt there will be Vista only games perhaps not soon but not that long away I reckon.

Besides I need to buy a copy of windows *cough* and Vista will be the one, but which one? 32 or 64bit? Anyone know of any benefits yet from a 64bit OS?
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You need to look at the applications and perhiperals you are using.

x86 Applications run under WOW64, an emulator providing a 32bit environment. Therefore you are going to experience some degree of loss in performance- not much, but some.

However, your x64 OS and apps written for x64 are going to be able to make use of the new technology including being able to leverage more memory than x86. For example, you can use more than 4GB of memory if your app is written for 64bit.


So for gaming, I'd say your still best off with the 32bit edition for the moment.


For more details of x64 benefits, see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/x64benefits.mspx
 
I'm not in a position to say whether this guys is scaremongering or correct as I haven't read through the EULA and other stuff myself... Also undure if this has been posted here before.

Vista Cost

Any comments?
 
Im not sure whether to get vista with my new rig this month or not, Anyone know if i got XP home oem, and i bought Vista home premium in 4-5 months, will it work if the vista is OEM.
 
Solari said:
I'm not in a position to say whether this guys is scaremongering or correct as I haven't read through the EULA and other stuff myself... Also undure if this has been posted here before.

Vista Cost

Any comments?
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I think its a load of crap, written by a Microsoft hater.

All of what has been written in that article will have no effect on the end users.
 
tomanders91 said:
Im not sure whether to get vista with my new rig this month or not, Anyone know if i got XP home oem, and i bought Vista home premium in 4-5 months, will it work if the vista is OEM.
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Would it work how? I don't understand.
 
For me Vista is something to look at at the end of the year, when things like drivers and major bugs have been ironed out.

I'm in no rush to move from XP, which does averything I want (so does Win2K for that matter :cool: ) and apps and games wont start being Vista only for a good while yet.
Maybe when I upgrade my graphics card, I'll get a copy of Vista too.

And as for Halo 3, well just loooool. I wouldn't be touching that anyway. :p
 
semi-pro waster said:
The ability to address more Ram is one of the most obvious ones I can think of but there may well be others. :)
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Yup, up to 128GB of RAM is supported on x64. This is just a software imposed limit as well because Microsoft couldn't find any system that supported more RAM to do their testing on :p

The x64 version also has more security features, some of which are very very good. For instance, Vista x64 is totally immune from root kits.

Vista x64 is also leaner. Lots of legacy rubbish for 16-bit backward compat. has been cut from the OS.

Vista x64 will very soon be the gamers OS of choice.
 
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