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Why is choosing a gfx card such a minefield :)

Armageus said:
7600XT is never the answer, regardless of the question :)
It's £60 more than the 8GB 7600, and hasn't got any additional horsepower, so the extra VRAM will be of no use for games/resolutions that actually need more than 8GB.
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The 8 GB will see you have to resort to low/med textures on occasion which look horrid, as well as having to lower other settings even though you'd have the processing power for them. That's on top of AMD cards needing even more vram than Nvidia. If you don't think the 8GB of vram is a problem then might as well get a 4060 so you can enjoy DLSS. Can't imagine being stuck on low settings AND FSR @ 1080p - yuck!

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Our testing shows that Spider-Man 2 does need quite a lot of VRAM, especially when you dial up the settings an enable things like RT and frame generation. Also, especially on cards with 8 GB VRAM, you'll be maxing that out even at fairy low settings. Interestingly, and we've seen this in other games, AMD cards with 8 GB VRAM take a pretty big performance hit, while their NVIDIA counterparts are not affected as much. This is probably due to the GPU architectures managing their memory differently.
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Do you have one and can give any feedback.

Mobo has rebar as its am5
Ryzen 7600 does not suffer the issue it has with performance loss with older ptocessors.

My main concern is
A) will intel be quick with updates anf fixes

B) will it still give me a steady 60fps on high settings for newer games in 2 years.

I notice ocuk are doing a 7700xt for 379 slightly over budget but is the extra 100 worth it
 
bigjonnyauk said:
I notice ocuk are doing a 7700xt for 379 slightly over budget but is the extra 100 worth it
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TPU has the 7700 XT as 28% faster than the B580, so you're paying a bit more than the performance is worth. It does depend on the game and Arc's drivers might find some more performance.

bigjonnyauk said:
B) will it still give me a steady 60fps on high settings for newer games in 2 years.
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Should be fine at 1080p.
 
bigjonnyauk said:
Do you have one and can give any feedback.

Mobo has rebar as its am5
Ryzen 7600 does not suffer the issue it has with performance loss with older ptocessors.

My main concern is
A) will intel be quick with updates anf fixes

B) will it still give me a steady 60fps on high settings for newer games in 2 years.

I notice ocuk are doing a 7700xt for 379 slightly over budget but is the extra 100 worth it
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A) I can't predict the future but they were pushing out tons of updates for alchemist so based on past performance yes

B) same it depends if ray tracing becomes the norm in 2 years or not as all cards in this price range will struggle to run those
 
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Poneros said:
The 8 GB will see you have to resort to low/med textures on occasion which look horrid, as well as having to lower other settings even though you'd have the processing power for them. That's on top of AMD cards needing even more vram than Nvidia. If you don't think the 8GB of vram is a problem then might as well get a 4060 so you can enjoy DLSS. Can't imagine being stuck on low settings AND FSR @ 1080p - yuck!


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Yeah I think that game may be a bit of an extreme example, but that being said I have personally experienced plenty of games that go over 8gb for example.

Both Cities Skylines, Fallout 76 (unmodded), Fallout 4 (admittedly some mods), the new Flight Sim eats everything at the moment, there are others as well, at 1440p anyway.

You can have all the GPU power in the world but if you hit the memory limit you are going to get a significant hit in performance. I would rather be maxing processing ability, even if not utilising all the memory, which is at least, more consistent, than having the huge jumps from VRAM limit.

I think it very much depends on screen resolution as well.

A 3070 is an absolute prime example of that, I had one. It had plenty of GPU power, but then you would hit the limit and you game goes from 140 FPS down to like 60-70, for a few seconds, then back up. Checked and surely enough hitting 100% GPU memory. It's such a shame, because had that card shipped with even 12 gb (it should have done in my opinion) there would be less occasions and I think 12gb would have been more balanced for that GPU, the AMD equivalent did. The cynic in me, well, not even really being that cynical is that Nvidia do that on purpose to try to keep you upgrading more regularly. 8GB was clearly not enough for the power of that GPU.

Anyway, it will be a while before I max 20gb on my 7900xt, and a while before I buy another Nvidia card.

In my opinion a gaming GPU should have a minimum of 12GB unless it is a really low end/budget card, if I am honest, I think we are heading towards 16gb for 2025 to being the new acceptable minumum of a mid range GPU.
 
Tetras said:
There's a rare(ish) RX 6700 10GB for sale at the moment, 250ish. I'd add that to the mix alongside the 6750 XT, but admittedly the newer 7700 XT is nice if you can find one for that kind of price. The Arc is a good card too, if you're aware of the quirks.
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Armageus said:
7600XT is never the answer, regardless of the question :)
It's £60 more than the 8GB 7600, and hasn't got any additional horsepower, so the extra VRAM will be of no use for games/resolutions that actually need more than 8GB.


That (RX6700LE) looks like a good choice.
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I concur on this. Bought a Powercolor Fighter for the kids PC and it has been flawless. Even with the simple cooling solution so I am imagining that that 3 fan XFX model is more than adequate.

Essentially, it is a mobile version of the 6700XT but with 10GB instead of 12GB VRAM. For 1080p that should be more than adequate for your use case. They have it paired with a R5 5600 and it is cool and quiet. Have actually applied an undervolt and slight overclock (mem and core) and it uses something stupid...I think it is like 117w instead of the stock 150w.

I think "Ancient Gameplay" did something on it so take a look. There is also a "fullfat" XFX QICK 6750XT at the same place for £330 with 12GB VRAM but the 6700 LE is likely a better option.
 
baritonejohann said:
£400? really? where?
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We're not allowed to talk about competitors on here, but you can set alerts on a certain UK based deal website.

They're frequently on sale, although the cheapest I'm aware of at the moment is £440 on OCUK, and I'd still spend the extra £30-40 over buying a slower (albeit marginally) card second hand. I'm pretty sure there was one going for under £400 a couple of months back, you just need to keep an eye out.
 
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Gray2233 said:
We're not allowed to talk about competitors on here, but you can set alerts on a certain UK based deal website.

They're frequently on sale, although the cheapest I'm aware of at the moment is £440 on OCUK, and I'd still spend the extra £30-40 over buying a slower (albeit marginally) card second hand. I'm pretty sure there was one going for under £400 a couple of months back, you just need to keep an eye out.
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I appreciate this thanks
 
If you can't push and get the 7700XT I would get the B580, most of the drawbacks don't apply given you have a modern system although some older DX9 games might be buggy. You also get XESS upscaling running on XMX instructions on the b580 which far better then FSR and comparable to DLSS, strong ray tracing, lots of vram.
 
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