Why not be a power ranger ?

you also have to stand and watch while the fire service cut dead people from squashed cars ?

That's just the fire service for you, around 25% of cars they cut had even been requested by us, they just love to do so.

The people who are involved in RTC in a car are 99% fine and dandy, maybe a little stiff the morning after or looking for whip-cash. As for bikes, like I said it's usually not their fault in the slightest, and the percentage that have some hospital treatment required is far greater.

The worse I've ever been to was his own fault for speeding in a 40mph, he came over a crest of a hill and wham, straight into standing traffic. Snapped himself in half before he even knew what had happened, worse thing my mate did was cutting his leathers, as he was what can only be described as 'bean bagged'.
 
I am a convertee :) I thought in January "You know, I really feel like spending a Saturday seeing what all the fuss is about" so I did my CBT...and was completely hooked just from those few hours on an asthmatic 125 :D I am doing my DAS very shortly and hoping to squeeze a test in before the changes.

IMHO once you actually fly solo on any sort of powered 2 wheel vehicle you are either completely hooked, or hate it, and no amount of thinking about pros and cons will change that opinion.
 
Dogbreath, I totally take your point, I don't have kids. I wasn't mocking people for being scared at all. And of course I'm quite open to the fact that my outlook on life could easily change based on many factors, not just having kids.


Fair enough. My wife is actually fine with me having a bike, she used to ride bikes many years back and still loves them. If I was sprogless, I would probably have had a bike a few years ago, but I feel a little guilty for even considering one these days.

That said I still have a big scar on my left wrist and no feeling on part of my left hand from a low speed (~20mph) accident I had 18 years ago, pulling my glove off to see bone sticking out of my wrist made me feel ill back then...would probably pass out these days :D
 
Generally by now people would have made up their mind anyway.

yep, I just find it hard to understand how you cannot try something before making your mind up..

a bike is generally only as dangerous as the rider, the danger aspect is overblown out of all proportions from what I've experienced.

driving / riding any high perf vehicle is dangerous if you push it too far... a ferrari bouncing off a lamppost at 140mph is gonna result in death same as a bike willl. With the raw power of a perf car / bike comes the need to show abit of self control, a normal family mondeo is always gonna seem the safe option as it's less likely to bite your head of when abused :)
 
The reason that i do not have a bike and maintain no interest in them is that i feel that a fast convertible car is a much much better prospect (Something like an M3 cabriolet). You can just hop right into them with a few mates and blast around in the sun, no change of clothes, you can put stuff in the boot, great show all round. Then when i crash it, its much much safer.
 
I was extremely close to having my first bike 3 years ago. Then my dad had a car pull out on him while he was on his bike. Spent 7 weeks in hospital, 2 weeks in intensive care, very nearly lost him twice and also lost his left leg above his knee, and has seriously limited movement in his right shoulder

He was travelling at less than 30mph at the time. He is self employed and very nearly lost everything. He was a photographer but can no longer do it, can't even lift his arm up to his face anymore. It seriously affects and had changed every single thing in his life.

There is zero chance of me having a bike now. Im perfectly happy with a convertible car.
 
yep, I just find it hard to understand how you cannot try something before making your mind up..

a bike is generally only as dangerous as the rider, the danger aspect is overblown out of all proportions from what I've experienced.

driving / riding any high perf vehicle is dangerous if you push it too far... a ferrari bouncing off a lamppost at 140mph is gonna result in death same as a bike willl. With the raw power of a perf car / bike comes the need to show abit of self control, a normal family mondeo is always gonna seem the safe option as it's less likely to bite your head of when abused :)
No, but what i'm saying is that it's the unknown's that are dangerous. You keep asking people if they have any self control, but for me, that wouldn't be the issue. I could have self control if i rode a bike, but it's the other people on the road/unknowns that worry me. Like a few different posters have pointed out, even if you're doing a sensible speed, you can still end up severely injured, when compared to if you were in a car.

I personally think that the dangers of biking are one of the only things (to do with road safety) that aren't over hyped.

Motorbikes are just cars with all the safe bits taken out! :p
 
When people mention lack of self control, surely if you have that in a car you shouldn't be driving, endangering yourself and mainly other road users doesn't seem to me to be the best of ideas...
 
a bike is generally only as dangerous as the rider, the danger aspect is overblown out of all proportions from what I've experienced.

Not really. Most sensible people appreciate that the chance of a bike being involved in an accident is a bit higher but not a certainty. It's the fact that you're likely to be much worse off when said crash happens if you're not in a nice metal box that gets people.

I don't think you can "convert" people into wanting to get a bike. Some people want to get one, some do not. It's the same reason not everyone has the same item of clothing or the same piece of software.
 
"In 2004, figures from the Department for Transport in the UK indicated that motorcycles have 121 deaths or serious injuries per 100 million vehicle kilometers, compared to the corresponding figure of 2.6 for motorists."
 
Bikes can't turn corners as fast

/RUNS

hah, very true, though you need a pretty good car to keep up with a bike even on corners, come the straight bit you're not gonna pass though unless you recently won the pools :)

bikers needs balls of steel for the twisties, something I don't have and never will.. have been left by plenty of 'sheds' including a old style mini cooper, he had some proper skills in that thing, he left my 2001 R1 for dead..
 
"In 2004, figures from the Department for Transport in the UK indicated that motorcycles have 121 deaths or serious injuries per 100 million vehicle kilometers, compared to the corresponding figure of 2.6 for motorists."

Statistics mean nothing unless you're one of them. For a start off, they also include all the 16 year olds on peds, including stolen ones. There was a crash locally a couple of months ago - killed 4 people, basically everyone in both cars. I don't think they or their families would take any comfort from cars being statistically safer.

It made me chuckle when I took my daughter on the back of my bike to her horse riding lesson. The mums were looking at me as if I was a child killer, yet she was statistically at far more risk on the actual riding lesson (as horse riding accounts for far more serious accidents per person than bikes do)
 
Number 3 I agree with. Numbers 1 and 2 highlight the difference between owning a bike and a car. With a car, its all about getting somewhere - the car is just a means to do it, and if you can have a nice car it makes the experience better. A bike is all about the actual journey - the destination is just an excuse for the journey.

im like that in a car tho. I never really go anywere but "A to A" as flukester said.
 
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