Wierd type of insulation ??

Vermiculite doesn't 'contain' asbestos per say, they are both naturally occurring minerals in their own right (well asbestos is a number of different minerals (6) all referred to as asbestos). The issue comes with many vermiculite mines in many countries were contaminated with asbestos deposits
 
Vermiculite doesn't 'contain' asbestos per say, they are both naturally occurring minerals in their own right (well asbestos is a number of different minerals (6) all referred to as asbestos). The issue comes with many vermiculite mines in many countries were contaminated with asbestos deposits

You are partly correct, but some Vermiculite insulation was mixed with asbestos fibres up until the 1990's.

Don't disturb the Vermiculite already in your loft, just laid some 200mm insulation over it, maybe a grant available to get it done for free, if you meet conditions.
And wear a mask when your up there.
 
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thanks again.

looking online, you can send samples to a company for about £25 to test, worth while ?

I'm with scottish power so will give them a call and see what they may offer
 
thanks again.

looking online, you can send samples to a company for about £25 to test, worth while ?

I'm with scottish power so will give them a call and see what they may offer

Without a doubt, wear a mask though. If it's that old there's a good chance the sample will 'contain' (for the pedant amongst us, defined as 'to have as component parts; include or comprise') Asbestos (again for our pedant, a mixture of six silicate minerals that are bad for you). Better to know so you can take appropriate measures in future.
 
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if you are that worried about it containing asbestos DON`T buy /use one of those cheap paper/clothmasks
Get a proper asbestos guaranteed mask
paper/cloth masks won`t stop bugger all of the asbestos fibres getting into your lungs
imho
 
You are partly correct, but some Vermiculite insulation was mixed with asbestos fibres up until the 1990's.

Don't disturb the Vermiculite already in your loft, just laid some 200mm insulation over it, maybe a grant available to get it done for free, if you meet conditions.
And wear a mask when your up there.

Do you have any sources for this? Actual sample analysis data, product names/data and case studies would be helpful.

Or is it one of those stories akin to some Supalux boards containing asbestos because they were manufactured on the same machines as AIB?

The reason I am interested is that I have personally sampled an awful lot of this stuff in the last 10 years and never had a positive result. I have also analysed an awful lot of the stuff since 2009 and never found asbestos. Likewise, in 10 years I have never had a Supalux sample return a positive result either :)

Now I know there were issues at the Libby mine in the USA, but this was with contamination of vermiculite at source. Asbestos was never (as far as I know) "added" afterwards. In fact there are numerous labs in the UK that have reported asbestos content in vermiculite has been known - but it is normally not identifiable using UK standard Stereo/PLM microscopy and normally the content is not abundant (IE single fibres). As such one has to wonder if the content is significant if it is not visible through a stereo microscope, and furthermore whether the asbestos would even be able to get airborne or even if it is respirable in the first place (after all, that is where the risk lies)?

I would be greatly interested in peoples knowledge on this :)

Cheers
 
Which you have been face fit tested for, obviously :p

.....and know also that you have to be clean shaven ;)

Paper masks that have an FFP3 filter are just as effective as an orinasal half mask if fitted correctly.

But it really all depends if you are clean shaven and fit the mask properly.

An orinasal half mask could potentially be MORE dangerous than a disposable FFP3 mask because you should have a face fit for one. If you buy an orinasal mask without a face fit and it is the wrong size/shape for your face - you will not get a good seal, and could potentially be exposed.

Also - if you are using overalls, make sure they are Category 3, Type 5/6 paper disposables if you are dealing with asbestos.

But really - if you have an asbestos problem I would use a specialised contractor to deal with it. Unlike my brother in law who smashed down his AIB garage ceiling with a hammer :rolleyes:
 
Buffet, Do you know what the typical result is when sampling the woven arc shields from re-wireable fuseboards is? Do they always contain crystotile? or only sometimes? are the other types ever seen in them?
 
Buffet, Do you know what the typical result is when sampling the woven arc shields from re-wireable fuseboards is? Do they always contain crystotile? or only sometimes? are the other types ever seen in them?

If you are talking the white in colour woven 'flash pads' that sit on the fuse carrier and inside the fuse carrier plug they are normally Chrysotile (white) asbestos in very high content (almost pure).

If you are talking the rope seals around the fuse box case cover door, they are often also woven white asbestos in rope form, however many have been replaced with MMMF (fibreglass) alternatives over the years, and any good asbestos surveyer will tell the difference immediately.

However, I have never seen flash pads replaced with alternatives. They are either used in the electrics or not, and as far as I know were not replaced with a non-asbestos alternative. Often, though, electricians have just pulled the flash pads out and discarded them, but this can leave remnants of the material on the components still in use. This should be fairly visible with the naked eye, but not always.

Inside a lot of older electrics you also get asbestos cement components, or bakelite. Cement predominantly contains white asbestos, but it can actually contain white, brown and blue depending on the manufacturer. Asbestos Bakelight usually contains white and brown.

In some electrics, there can be a piece of mill board material inserted behind the entire fuse plug enclosure and this can contain blue asbestos. I have personally only seen this a couple of times though, but to be fair, a lot of the electics on any given site cannot usually be inspected so it may be more prevalent than my findings suggest.

Also, with electrics, the panel that consumer units/meters/fuse boxes are fixed to is often timber, but sometimes asbestos (usually cement).

Hope this helps.
 
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