Wife Vs HR

Dis86 said:
A nice fun one!

Wife has been formally warned that she's now on a stage 2 warning for her attendance at work. This has apparently been triggered as a result of 2 absences within a short period of time, in line with the workplace attendance policy.

Yes. That vague.

The reason for the absences is emergency care of dependents, something we're both already aware is protected within law and cannot trigger any negative consequences.
She does not have a copy of the attendance policy. One is not available on their HR portal (not even mentioned). No other staff member has a copy. It simply appears not to exist.

She's already had a number of run-ins with HR after promised payrises didn't materialise (written records from her line manager and the head detailing the raises had been awarded) and they removed certain benefits she received during maternity leave.

This warning was delivered not by HR, but under duress by her line manager who made it clear to her.

HR are either utterly incompetent or acting maliciously here. Would you continue to let HR dig themselves in to a hole? Push back now? Go for legal action? Any thoughts on angles you'd take an arguments you'd make for this would be appreciated.
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ACAS - end of really.

They were utterly brilliant when I went to them, after a manager put me on a trumped up PIP back in 2014 (iirc) after several years of bullying, and trying to get me fired (thankfully I had email trails).

They'll be able to advise on what to do, I think they even offered to speak to my HR at the time too - but all I needed was an email from them, and the manager backed down. I still left though, took voluntary redundancy to get the hell out.
 
Monday update:

HR asked wife to come in for a chat as they'd been told she was unhappy about what had happened. HR finally produced the absence policy which has nothing in it at all about care of dependents. It also specifically and repeatedly uses the term 'sickness absence' which obviously this was not.

Worth noting I've had eyes on of the procedure and it is...wow. key takeaway from me is there's no revision date or history showing when and why revisions of been made. It's almost like someone knocked it up over a weekend...
 
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Dis86 said:
Monday update:

HR asked wife to come in for a chat as they'd been told she was unhappy about what had happened. HR finally produced the absence policy which has nothing in it at all about care of dependents. It also specifically and repeatedly uses the term 'sickness absence' which obviously this was not.

Worth noting I've had eyes on of the procedure and it is...wow. key takeaway from me is there's no revision date or history showing when and why revisions of been made. It's almost like someone knocked it up over a weekend...
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Do you get anything suspiciously similar appear if you ask ChatGPT to write an absence policy? :p
 
Dis86 said:
She's already had a number of run-ins with HR after promised payrises didn't materialise (written records from her line manager and the head detailing the raises had been awarded) and they removed certain benefits she received during maternity leave.
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I would be looking to chase this and have the pay backdated from when the raise was meant to happen.
 
Sounds a horrible situation. They clearly are hoping she will leave if they keep pushing but I would just keep giving them rope to hang with and eventually take them to the cleaners.
 
Dave85 said:
Sounds a horrible situation. They clearly are hoping she will leave if they keep pushing but I would just keep giving them rope to hang with and eventually take them to the cleaners.
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I think all work places are toxic, last place I worked employee was there for 20 years, and they got rid of her because of her medical condition . She was only a few years away from retirement.

I can understand why people stay on benefits tbh, dealt with people like Donald Trump, raging bullies, abuse of everything - employement rights etc.
 
hornetstinger said:
I think all work places are toxic,
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Absolutely I have dealt with a few workplaces over the last 20 years and always came out on top but its a lot of stress you just dont need. As I have got older I just cant be bothered with it anymore and just leave. Once your employer realises they have no control over you for "fear" of getting sacked work becomes so much less stressful.
 
Dave85 said:
Absolutely I have dealt with a few workplaces over the last 20 years and always came out on top but its a lot of stress you just dont need. As I have got older I just cant be bothered with it anymore and just leave. Once your employer realises they have no control over you for "fear" of getting sacked work becomes so much less stressful.
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Yup, I knew they were trying to get me sacked (at various places) but on the last job they needed me more than I needed them, always made sure bragging I paid my mortgage off, I don't need to do FT hours etc, managers and areas managers hated it I wasn't begging for OT etc.

Helps most people that worked in my dept were useless, so I was the only one doing the work, eventually they started training someone up and that's when they pushed me out.

Just easier on the dole, why work for POS people...no stress now.
 
Not doing the stage 1 to me sounds like a slam-dunk loss at any employment tribunal (for the employer).... If the employer fails to follow their own process I would have thought HR would have noticed the managers error and stopped them.

That said, it may be the case that they aren't fussed about losing a tribunal and would rather pay her compensation and get rid of her that way if she doesn't get fed up in the meantime and find a new job.
 
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