WiFi 7 certified in the UK?

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I don't know much about how these things are decided

I seem to recall at one stage that 5Ghz devices weren't allowed externally, hence things like doorbells etc had to be on 2.4Ghz band only?

I see WiFi 7 routers just being released in the US (at crazy prices) but will it be coming here as well? Seems like a decent upgrade if you can get it.

Google fu failed me on this one though.
 
I don’t believe it’s been officially certified anywhere. They are mostly unnecessary, yet people will buy them not understanding wifi because 7 is better than 6E/6 etc. And then wonder why it’s made very little real world difference.
 
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I don’t believe it’s been officially certified anywhere. They are mostly unnecessary, yet people will buy them not understanding wifi because 7 is better than 6E/6 etc. And then wonder why it’s made very little real world difference.
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This. The official WiFi 7 spec won't be ratified until 2024, so current WiFi 7 products are based on the draft versions. There's no guarantee they'll be fully WiFi 7 compliant in case something does change.

Last time I checked it was due early 2024 but seems to have been pushed back to the later half now: https://www.ieee802.org/11/Reports/tgbe_update.htm
 
ChrisD. said:
I don’t believe it’s been officially certified anywhere. They are mostly unnecessary, yet people will buy them not understanding wifi because 7 is better than 6E/6 etc. And then wonder why it’s made very little real world difference.
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Yup not certified anywhere, most have gone with draft spec.

Looking forward to it personally, I use a 1Gb Wifi Link to one office and Wfi7 could potentially quadruple the speed, most of the units have 10Gb multigig ports, its a nice hardware upgrade and will allow some device consolidation for me, in places where I use 10G/2.5Gb hubs.

Reviews on the draft hardware are very good, the bandwidths are lovely.
 
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Wi-Fi 7 could be very good but there is no point looking to purchase these devices right now.

Get a very decent WI-Fi 6 AP, you don't even need 6E, 6E might be useful if your 5GHz band is REALLY congested with all channels. Doubtful if in a standard house etc.
 
3 iPerf tests and then you'll never use it :p

When ISPs start pushing faster speeds, they could be a need. But streaming services you can get by with 802.11n/Wi-Fi 4, 2009 ish!
 
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As mentioned its a Wifi link to our office, it is used most days for data transfer internally, not for streaming, always intended to wire but not had the desire to go across house and up three floors when this works fine.
 
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For 99% of people its a pointless upgrade when really need better connection rather than faster speeds from wifi6
 
Get back to Wifi 4 you luddite, clearly none of the benefits are for you ;) :p

Its not pointless, these things propagate downwards and ultimately everyone benefits, more channels, wider channels, better traffic handling when you have a mixture of small and larger channels when utilizing 160/320Mhz reducing drop off, I use the 160Mhz channel right now, there is only one and it can be kicked back to 80 with congestion, even on the simple level making use of what is there and would other wise lie dormant if you stuck to one band like MLO combining all the bands, all seems good too me, more efficiency and speed.

What is not to like, who wouldn't want a more responsive Wifi network? Sure the early pricing that comes with such a new tech is not to be liked but the best new and shiny tech is never cheap, regardless it will be everywhere in a few years in much the same way that most devices you can buy are 6E these days despite many not having the infrastructure at home to take advantage of it, 7 will go the same way.
 
Well technically Wifi 7 can be the biggest wifi upgrade for large houses ever, especially if they are not wired, in the UK where UNII 4 is not allowed - 3 band aggregation will mean stable wireless backhaul, looks like the routers will often have SFP+ eliminating the need for ONT. I very much look forward to it.
 
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For 99% of people its a pointless upgrade when really need better connection rather than faster speeds from wifi6
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The wifi7 routers are like $800 to $1000 so I don't think wifi7 applies To 99% of people. If you can afford a $800 router then you can afford a multi gig fibre connection


As for performance, Wifi 7 is legit. There are a few reviews out there. Linus did one as he well where he tested a wifi 5, 6 and 7 router and the improvements were great - about 400MB/s on wifi5, 800mb/s on wifi6 and 3500MB/s on wifi7. Do note when he tested this he was located about 2 feet from the router so it's near perfect conditions. Even if someone doesn't need to have near 4GB/s direct connection over wifi, that sort of bandwidth makes Wifi7 great for backhaul

Wifi7 routers do pull a bit of power though, you're looking at around 25 watts, so if you run a wifi7 router 24/7 that's around 220kWh per year powering your wifi. Though again, if you can afford a $800 router and multi gig fibre, then you surely can afford electricity as well
 
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The wifi7 routers are like $800 to $1000 so I don't think wifi7 applies To 99% of people. If you can afford a $800 router then you can afford a multi gig fibre connection


As for performance, Wifi 7 is legit. There are a few reviews out there. Linus did one as he well where he tested a wifi 5, 6 and 7 router and the improvements were great - about 400MB/s on wifi5, 800mb/s on wifi6 and 3500MB/s on wifi7. Do note when he tested this he was located about 2 feet from the router so it's near perfect conditions. Even if someone doesn't need to have near 4GB/s direct connection over wifi, that sort of bandwidth makes Wifi7 great for backhaul

Wifi7 routers do pull a bit of power though, you're looking at around 25 watts, so if you run a wifi7 router 24/7 that's around 220kWh per year powering your wifi. Though again, if you can afford a $800 router and multi gig fibre, then you surely can afford electricity as well
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Are there any tests at range?

I have a mesh system via Plume and I can pull 500Mb (my full FTTP connection) via a mesh Pod about 25 feet away with almost line of sight. That's about the max I can get so curious what uplift I might get
 
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The wifi7 routers are like $800 to $1000 so I don't think wifi7 applies To 99% of people. If you can afford a $800 router then you can afford a multi gig fibre connection
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We live in a world of £3500 graphics cards. Where £2000 graphics cards are almost run-of-the-mill. £800 for a wireless device won’t stop folks buying it if they believe it improve their gaming or VR pr0n experience.

I know people (customers) who will literally throw cash at a problem and because of where they live some computer or bureaucrat still says ‘no’ to multi-gig fibre connections. You might be shocked at where geography, local councils and national planning policy just stop even the wealthiest and best connected from getting fast broadband.

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As for performance, Wifi 7 is legit. There are a few reviews out there. Linus did one as he well where he tested a wifi 5, 6 and 7 router and the improvements were great - about 400MB/s on wifi5, 800mb/s on wifi6 and 3500MB/s on wifi7. Do note when he tested this he was located about 2 feet from the router so it's near perfect conditions. Even if someone doesn't need to have near 4GB/s direct connection over wifi, that sort of bandwidth makes Wifi7 great for backhaul
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The challenge is its ability to penetrate walls/floors/ceilings. The extra data comes by reducing the wavelength so the waves are closer together and bump into each other and other things much more often which scatters and reflects them. So they don’t penetrate well. Which means, like Wifi6E (but worse) you get fantastic speed in the same room and 5GHz speed between rooms. It’s useless for back-haul because you need cables in every room. LTT is a shill channel that advertises whoever pays them and it’s the latest/greatest/biggest. Once Willie Howe or Tom Lawrence says it’s great, only then should you think about buying it.

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Wifi7 routers do pull a bit of power though, you're looking at around 25 watts, so if you run a wifi7 router 24/7 that's around 220kWh per year powering your wifi.
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This is a valid point. But not the money, the fact that only the access points will be capable of supporting the power. The clients won’t. Whether you’re on Android or Apple neither will support that sort of power requirement on a phone or tablet. Even of Wifi6E I have customers requesting we restrict the access points to 5GHz so their phone batteries don’t empty themselves every couple of hours at home.

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Though again, if you can afford a $800 router and multi gig fibre, then you surely can afford electricity as well
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You’re not going to be getting invited to Greta Thunberg’s Hogmanay party with that attitude. ;)
 
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